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I would find it unbelievable that any wildlife manager would make this statement. Clarification is necessary.
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I would find it unbelievable that any wildlife manager would make this statement. Clarification is necessary.

 :yeah: probably a typo, at least I'm hoping that's the case...
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If WDFW caves and requires ranchers to move cattle then the eco groups have effectively won the war on removing grazing and leases from public land. :twocents:



Add in the murmurs of the feds selling off public lands, our states overwhelming anti hunt/gun population and it sure doesnt fall in step with Pittman Robertson modernization efforts.  Feels more like a cash grab as the door slams.

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Looks like they have put it to black and white.

https://www.khq.com/news/wdfw-rethinking-how-it-deals-with-wildlife-attacks-on-livestock/article_d1256d20-b3eb-11e9-a89d-5762c7a806bd.html


FERRY COUNTY, Wash. - The Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife is in talks to rework how the organization addresses attacks on wildlife grazing on public lands by wildlife.
Over the last three years, wolves belonging to the OPT Pack have been involved in multiple conflicts with livestock on grazing allotments on the public lands.

The Diamond M Ranch's public land livestock operations have resulted in the killing of 20 recovering wolves, including Wedge Pack in 2012, the Profanity Peak Pack in 2016, the Sherman Pack in 2017, as well as wolves removed from the Sherman and Togo Packs in 2018, and now the OPT Pack.
WDFW said the constants between the deaths of recovering wolves and the attacks are the producer and the public land area being grazed.


A letter submitted WDFW Director Kelly Susewind asks for WDFW to take a different approach and instead prioritize wildlife over livestock on public grazing lands.
The letter says livestock should be relocated and wildlife should not be killed if conflict occurs.
Lands Council Executive Director Mike Peterson and WDFW Director Kelly Susewind discussed the proposal during a meeting Wednesday.

I can't tell from the article if the letter as submitted to Susewind or by Susewind???

It'd be a bad blow to those who wanted to give him a chance (me included), if the recommendation comes from him.
The letter was to Susewind...requesting WDFW take that position (move cattle, don't kill wildlife).  I think its an extraordinary waste of time and money for WDFW to be involved in any such discussion - they have no authority to require cattle move off federal grazing leases or private lands. 

However, the overall principle that wildlife has to be culled to eliminate any possible impact to an ag industry is a growing concern of mine.  The way some states are managing elk and deer to appease a farmer who plants a crop in a wildlife rich area is a violation of public trust to the core.  Reasonable steps to manage conflict should occur...but in some cases its just turning into a wholesale slaughter of the publics wildlife.  Add in payments to farmers who don't allow any sort of hunting access to help address the problem and its just salt in an open wound.   

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 :yeah:  Appeasing farmers and timber companies .

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Looks like they have put it to black and white.

https://www.khq.com/news/wdfw-rethinking-how-it-deals-with-wildlife-attacks-on-livestock/article_d1256d20-b3eb-11e9-a89d-5762c7a806bd.html


FERRY COUNTY, Wash. - The Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife is in talks to rework how the organization addresses attacks on wildlife grazing on public lands by wildlife.
Over the last three years, wolves belonging to the OPT Pack have been involved in multiple conflicts with livestock on grazing allotments on the public lands.

The Diamond M Ranch's public land livestock operations have resulted in the killing of 20 recovering wolves, including Wedge Pack in 2012, the Profanity Peak Pack in 2016, the Sherman Pack in 2017, as well as wolves removed from the Sherman and Togo Packs in 2018, and now the OPT Pack.
WDFW said the constants between the deaths of recovering wolves and the attacks are the producer and the public land area being grazed.


A letter submitted WDFW Director Kelly Susewind asks for WDFW to take a different approach and instead prioritize wildlife over livestock on public grazing lands.
The letter says livestock should be relocated and wildlife should not be killed if conflict occurs.
Lands Council Executive Director Mike Peterson and WDFW Director Kelly Susewind discussed the proposal during a meeting Wednesday.

I can't tell from the article if the letter as submitted to Susewind or by Susewind???

It'd be a bad blow to those who wanted to give him a chance (me included), if the recommendation comes from him.
The letter was to Susewind...requesting WDFW take that position (move cattle, don't kill wildlife).  I think its an extraordinary waste of time and money for WDFW to be involved in any such discussion - they have no authority to require cattle move off federal grazing leases or private lands. 

However, the overall principle that wildlife has to be culled to eliminate any possible impact to an ag industry is a growing concern of mine.  The way some states are managing elk and deer to appease a farmer who plants a crop in a wildlife rich area is a violation of public trust to the core.  Reasonable steps to manage conflict should occur...but in some cases its just turning into a wholesale slaughter of the publics wildlife.  Add in payments to farmers who don't allow any sort of hunting access to help address the problem and its just salt in an open wound.   

Wolves shouldn't be culled to appease ranchers. They should be actively hunted so they know to fear human interaction.
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Looks like they have put it to black and white.

https://www.khq.com/news/wdfw-rethinking-how-it-deals-with-wildlife-attacks-on-livestock/article_d1256d20-b3eb-11e9-a89d-5762c7a806bd.html


FERRY COUNTY, Wash. - The Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife is in talks to rework how the organization addresses attacks on wildlife grazing on public lands by wildlife.
Over the last three years, wolves belonging to the OPT Pack have been involved in multiple conflicts with livestock on grazing allotments on the public lands.

The Diamond M Ranch's public land livestock operations have resulted in the killing of 20 recovering wolves, including Wedge Pack in 2012, the Profanity Peak Pack in 2016, the Sherman Pack in 2017, as well as wolves removed from the Sherman and Togo Packs in 2018, and now the OPT Pack.
WDFW said the constants between the deaths of recovering wolves and the attacks are the producer and the public land area being grazed.


A letter submitted WDFW Director Kelly Susewind asks for WDFW to take a different approach and instead prioritize wildlife over livestock on public grazing lands.
The letter says livestock should be relocated and wildlife should not be killed if conflict occurs.
Lands Council Executive Director Mike Peterson and WDFW Director Kelly Susewind discussed the proposal during a meeting Wednesday.

I can't tell from the article if the letter as submitted to Susewind or by Susewind???

It'd be a bad blow to those who wanted to give him a chance (me included), if the recommendation comes from him.
The letter was to Susewind...requesting WDFW take that position (move cattle, don't kill wildlife).  I think its an extraordinary waste of time and money for WDFW to be involved in any such discussion - they have no authority to require cattle move off federal grazing leases or private lands. 

However, the overall principle that wildlife has to be culled to eliminate any possible impact to an ag industry is a growing concern of mine.  The way some states are managing elk and deer to appease a farmer who plants a crop in a wildlife rich area is a violation of public trust to the core.  Reasonable steps to manage conflict should occur...but in some cases its just turning into a wholesale slaughter of the publics wildlife.  Add in payments to farmers who don't allow any sort of hunting access to help address the problem and its just salt in an open wound.   

When the USFWS planted wolves in the NRM the promise was for a population of a few hundred wolves and producers would be compensated for losses to wolves, perhaps you should review the original USFWS plan to refresh your memory.  :dunno:

Most state wolf plans have similar language, including WA.
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Looks like they have put it to black and white.

https://www.khq.com/news/wdfw-rethinking-how-it-deals-with-wildlife-attacks-on-livestock/article_d1256d20-b3eb-11e9-a89d-5762c7a806bd.html


FERRY COUNTY, Wash. - The Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife is in talks to rework how the organization addresses attacks on wildlife grazing on public lands by wildlife.
Over the last three years, wolves belonging to the OPT Pack have been involved in multiple conflicts with livestock on grazing allotments on the public lands.

The Diamond M Ranch's public land livestock operations have resulted in the killing of 20 recovering wolves, including Wedge Pack in 2012, the Profanity Peak Pack in 2016, the Sherman Pack in 2017, as well as wolves removed from the Sherman and Togo Packs in 2018, and now the OPT Pack.
WDFW said the constants between the deaths of recovering wolves and the attacks are the producer and the public land area being grazed.


A letter submitted WDFW Director Kelly Susewind asks for WDFW to take a different approach and instead prioritize wildlife over livestock on public grazing lands.
The letter says livestock should be relocated and wildlife should not be killed if conflict occurs.
Lands Council Executive Director Mike Peterson and WDFW Director Kelly Susewind discussed the proposal during a meeting Wednesday.

I can't tell from the article if the letter as submitted to Susewind or by Susewind???

It'd be a bad blow to those who wanted to give him a chance (me included), if the recommendation comes from him.
The letter was to Susewind...requesting WDFW take that position (move cattle, don't kill wildlife).  I think its an extraordinary waste of time and money for WDFW to be involved in any such discussion - they have no authority to require cattle move off federal grazing leases or private lands. 

However, the overall principle that wildlife has to be culled to eliminate any possible impact to an ag industry is a growing concern of mine.  The way some states are managing elk and deer to appease a farmer who plants a crop in a wildlife rich area is a violation of public trust to the core.  Reasonable steps to manage conflict should occur...but in some cases its just turning into a wholesale slaughter of the publics wildlife.  Add in payments to farmers who don't allow any sort of hunting access to help address the problem and its just salt in an open wound.   

When the USFWS planted wolves in the NRM the promise was for a population of a few hundred wolves and producers would be compensated for losses to wolves, perhaps you should review the original USFWS plan to refresh your memory.  :dunno:

Most state wolf plans have similar language, including WA.
And none of that is relevant to the overarching concern of wildlife being slaughtered exclusively for private commercial ag interests.
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Looks like they have put it to black and white.

https://www.khq.com/news/wdfw-rethinking-how-it-deals-with-wildlife-attacks-on-livestock/article_d1256d20-b3eb-11e9-a89d-5762c7a806bd.html


FERRY COUNTY, Wash. - The Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife is in talks to rework how the organization addresses attacks on wildlife grazing on public lands by wildlife.
Over the last three years, wolves belonging to the OPT Pack have been involved in multiple conflicts with livestock on grazing allotments on the public lands.

The Diamond M Ranch's public land livestock operations have resulted in the killing of 20 recovering wolves, including Wedge Pack in 2012, the Profanity Peak Pack in 2016, the Sherman Pack in 2017, as well as wolves removed from the Sherman and Togo Packs in 2018, and now the OPT Pack.
WDFW said the constants between the deaths of recovering wolves and the attacks are the producer and the public land area being grazed.


A letter submitted WDFW Director Kelly Susewind asks for WDFW to take a different approach and instead prioritize wildlife over livestock on public grazing lands.
The letter says livestock should be relocated and wildlife should not be killed if conflict occurs.
Lands Council Executive Director Mike Peterson and WDFW Director Kelly Susewind discussed the proposal during a meeting Wednesday.

I can't tell from the article if the letter as submitted to Susewind or by Susewind???

It'd be a bad blow to those who wanted to give him a chance (me included), if the recommendation comes from him.
The letter was to Susewind...requesting WDFW take that position (move cattle, don't kill wildlife).  I think its an extraordinary waste of time and money for WDFW to be involved in any such discussion - they have no authority to require cattle move off federal grazing leases or private lands. 

However, the overall principle that wildlife has to be culled to eliminate any possible impact to an ag industry is a growing concern of mine.  The way some states are managing elk and deer to appease a farmer who plants a crop in a wildlife rich area is a violation of public trust to the core.  Reasonable steps to manage conflict should occur...but in some cases its just turning into a wholesale slaughter of the publics wildlife.  Add in payments to farmers who don't allow any sort of hunting access to help address the problem and its just salt in an open wound.   

Wolves shouldn't be culled to appease ranchers. They should be actively hunted so they know to fear human interaction.

 :yeah:

Yes, that is how it should be!
But if they won't open a season on wolves, which I believe will never happen.
Culling is the only real answer.
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Perhaps someone ought to ask WDFW about the two wolves killed for livestock depredation south east of Yakima....while WDFW has (fraudulently) said there are no wolves south of I-84

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Perhaps someone ought to ask WDFW about the two wolves killed for livestock depredation south east of Yakima....while WDFW has (fraudulently) said there are no wolves south of I-84

Kicking the hornet's nest in 3,2,1...

Got any proof/documentation?

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Perhaps someone ought to ask WDFW about the two wolves killed for livestock depredation south east of Yakima....while WDFW has (fraudulently) said there are no wolves south of I-84

Kicking the hornet's nest in 3,2,1...
Southeast of Yakima? As in Sunnyside or Prosser?  Or down to the Tri cities?  Not very suitable wolf habitat if you ask me.

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Perhaps someone ought to ask WDFW about the two wolves killed for livestock depredation south east of Yakima....while WDFW has (fraudulently) said there are no wolves south of I-84

Kicking the hornet's nest in 3,2,1...
Southeast of Yakima? As in Sunnyside or Prosser?  Or down to the Tri cities?  Not very suitable wolf habitat if you ask me.
Also I believe I 84 is on the border of Oregon, Washington.  Perhaps you meant I90.

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Sorry...south and west of I-82.

Call WDFW. Ask for the head biologist in the area. Ask for names and details.
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Looks like they have put it to black and white.

https://www.khq.com/news/wdfw-rethinking-how-it-deals-with-wildlife-attacks-on-livestock/article_d1256d20-b3eb-11e9-a89d-5762c7a806bd.html


FERRY COUNTY, Wash. - The Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife is in talks to rework how the organization addresses attacks on wildlife grazing on public lands by wildlife.
Over the last three years, wolves belonging to the OPT Pack have been involved in multiple conflicts with livestock on grazing allotments on the public lands.

The Diamond M Ranch's public land livestock operations have resulted in the killing of 20 recovering wolves, including Wedge Pack in 2012, the Profanity Peak Pack in 2016, the Sherman Pack in 2017, as well as wolves removed from the Sherman and Togo Packs in 2018, and now the OPT Pack.
WDFW said the constants between the deaths of recovering wolves and the attacks are the producer and the public land area being grazed.


A letter submitted WDFW Director Kelly Susewind asks for WDFW to take a different approach and instead prioritize wildlife over livestock on public grazing lands.
The letter says livestock should be relocated and wildlife should not be killed if conflict occurs.
Lands Council Executive Director Mike Peterson and WDFW Director Kelly Susewind discussed the proposal during a meeting Wednesday.

I can't tell from the article if the letter as submitted to Susewind or by Susewind???

It'd be a bad blow to those who wanted to give him a chance (me included), if the recommendation comes from him.
The letter was to Susewind...requesting WDFW take that position (move cattle, don't kill wildlife).  I think its an extraordinary waste of time and money for WDFW to be involved in any such discussion - they have no authority to require cattle move off federal grazing leases or private lands. 

However, the overall principle that wildlife has to be culled to eliminate any possible impact to an ag industry is a growing concern of mine.  The way some states are managing elk and deer to appease a farmer who plants a crop in a wildlife rich area is a violation of public trust to the core.  Reasonable steps to manage conflict should occur...but in some cases its just turning into a wholesale slaughter of the publics wildlife.  Add in payments to farmers who don't allow any sort of hunting access to help address the problem and its just salt in an open wound.   

When the USFWS planted wolves in the NRM the promise was for a population of a few hundred wolves and producers would be compensated for losses to wolves, perhaps you should review the original USFWS plan to refresh your memory.  :dunno:

Most state wolf plans have similar language, including WA.
And none of that is relevant to the overarching concern of wildlife being slaughtered exclusively for private commercial ag interests.

Nice try, they promised to take care of problem wolves and compensate losses, now some people like you want them to back out of that promise!
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