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Is it worth it
« on: July 30, 2019, 04:11:27 PM »
I am thinking about a custom rifle built off a rem 700 action I have. I have really enjoyed getting into shooting super tight groups over the last few years and wanting to start shooting long range. My dilemma is build one custom or purchase three other nice guns that are all stock that will shoot pretty well. Looking to hear from guys who have shelled the money on customs and would they do it again.  Thanks Ken

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Re: Is it worth it
« Reply #1 on: July 30, 2019, 04:27:17 PM »
Once you go custom everything else is just meh.  I’ve had plenty of factory rifles that shot well but there is always something I don’t like about them.  Don’t  necessarily have to go full custom.  Quality barrel and trigger goes along way but a properly fitting stock with a good bed job is great.   Jme
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Re: Is it worth it
« Reply #2 on: July 30, 2019, 04:37:43 PM »
If you add up the cost of getting a new bolt, having the action trued. New bottom metal.  It can make sense to just get a custom action.  Sometimes the factory 700 actions need to get machined out to fit longer internal box mags to fit bullets. But yes I have custom rifles and love them all.   Make sure you go with a gun company.

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Re: Is it worth it
« Reply #3 on: July 30, 2019, 04:48:13 PM »
A semi custom or full custom, built by a good gunsmith, is nearly always guaranteed to shoot very well.  Most will come with 1/2 MOA guarantees and generally shoot that well or better.  Sometimes, off the shelf factory guns shoot very well too, but they can be very hit or miss and it's kind of a luck of the draw, whether you get one that shoots really well.  There is just no comparison between the quality of a custom barrel chambered with a custom reamer and a barrel chambered by the factory.  Everything about a custom barrel is better.  That's not to say a hack gunsmith can't ruin a custom barrel, but if you use a good gunsmith your chances are very slim they'll hack the job up.

As for which is better, semi custom or full custom, I have both and my Rem 700 semi customs shoot just as good as my full customs.

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Re: Is it worth it
« Reply #4 on: July 30, 2019, 05:54:04 PM »
I don't have a custom rifle, but I wouldn't think about three factory rifles - if you have one that shoots I'm not sure what three would get you.

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Re: Is it worth it
« Reply #5 on: July 30, 2019, 06:54:29 PM »
I’d take one custom over 3 factory rifles any day of the week

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Re: Is it worth it
« Reply #6 on: July 30, 2019, 07:06:17 PM »
I don't have a truely custom rifle....but I have 3 semi custom that all shoot great.  I agree with jant....once you make the leap to semi custom or custom.....the factory rifles are bleh.  My once favorite .270 now only gets shot at the range.  I will likely put it in a new MDT stock and make it semi custum so I want to shoot it again. 

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Re: Is it worth it
« Reply #7 on: July 30, 2019, 08:06:40 PM »
My answer really depends on what you're shooting now, what you want the new gun to be capable of and will this be a "one gun to rule them all" project or would it be a specialized project?

For the most part, I don't recommend that anyone builds a custom gun in a SAAMI spec chambering like a 308, 6.5 Creedmoor etc.. There are so many exceptionally accurate factory guns in the really common calibers that it seems like a bit of a waste to build a $3000 custom gun when you can by some very high quality factory guns for under $2000.

Are you looking for BR level accuracy, or is "settling" for .5 MOA acceptable? Out of 14 custom/semi-custom guns I've had, they've all been out shot by a couple of the Savages I've assemble on the floor of my garage. Some of the customs have been very close and shoot consistent groups in the .3 MOA range, but none of them have cracked the .25 MOA threshold that 4 of my franken-guns have done easily.

Are you looking for pure performance or are aesthetics and feel part of what you're looking for? A well tuned factory action can be very nice but it will never be as smooth as a premium custom action. I've never had a gun shoot better just because it was built on a $1400 action that cycled smoother. If you're getting into fast paced competitions like PRS then I can see where having a smooth action would be a benefit. If you're just hunting or doing some LR plinking it really won't make a practical difference.

What's your realistic budget for the build (just the rifle)? You can build off your Remington action and it will probably cost you around $1000 on the low end if you use a modestly priced stock, good trigger, an average SS barrel and have a good local smith put it together for you. Start adding in carbon fiber barrels, high end stocks and triggers and a big name smith and you'll hit $3000 pretty quick even if you use your Rem action.

Another good option is to browse the classified section of sites like Long Range Hunting or Accurate Shooter and find a good deal on a used custom/semi-custom gun. You can easily save $1000 by buying a lightly used custom.

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Re: Is it worth it
« Reply #8 on: July 30, 2019, 08:15:09 PM »
York speaks truth......on that not i'll make you a smoking deal on a semi custom tikka with a brand new 24" tube chambered in 6.5 creedmoor, sitting in a McMillan gamewarden :chuckle:
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Re: Is it worth it
« Reply #9 on: July 30, 2019, 09:14:28 PM »
I have a  savage ba stealth in 6.5 that got me started on this kick. Very nice glass on it to boot. I have been talking to a builder and roughly 2300 in just the build. I am looking for performance over looks. Building it to hunt and plink and push my limits. A competition gun is not what I an going for. I already have good glass just sitting in the reloading cabinets needing a gun to sit on. I  was thinking 300 win mag because I have tons of brass, comp dies, bullets, powders ect but open to other calibers . I  thought about a 264 win mag. Mainly going to be used for elk.

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Re: Is it worth it
« Reply #10 on: July 30, 2019, 09:54:17 PM »
A lot of good advice on here. I built my first custom rifle off of a Rem 700 barreled action in 300RUM I bought on this site, (thanks yorktransporter.) it’s the most accurate rifle I’ve every owed, but all said and done it cost 3k. Like others have said, what do you want it to do? I shoot long range and my custom does that. You won’t be disappointed if you build a custom.

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Re: Is it worth it
« Reply #11 on: July 31, 2019, 01:00:05 PM »
I had two customs, still have one, the other was a pain, the accuracy was there but the chamber was so tight I had to have custom resize dies and no other loads worked. depends on what you want
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Re: Is it worth it
« Reply #12 on: July 31, 2019, 01:07:36 PM »
If you have the skill to build one then do it.
If not order one.

Factory guns are built for corporate profit and group like a shotgun's pattern.

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Re: Is it worth it
« Reply #13 on: July 31, 2019, 01:13:25 PM »
My answer really depends on what you're shooting now, what you want the new gun to be capable of and will this be a "one gun to rule them all" project or would it be a specialized project?

For the most part, I don't recommend that anyone builds a custom gun in a SAAMI spec chambering like a 308, 6.5 Creedmoor etc.. There are so many exceptionally accurate factory guns in the really common calibers that it seems like a bit of a waste to build a $3000 custom gun when you can by some very high quality factory guns for under $2000.

Are you looking for BR level accuracy, or is "settling" for .5 MOA acceptable? Out of 14 custom/semi-custom guns I've had, they've all been out shot by a couple of the Savages I've assemble on the floor of my garage. Some of the customs have been very close and shoot consistent groups in the .3 MOA range, but none of them have cracked the .25 MOA threshold that 4 of my franken-guns have done easily.

Are you looking for pure performance or are aesthetics and feel part of what you're looking for? A well tuned factory action can be very nice but it will never be as smooth as a premium custom action. I've never had a gun shoot better just because it was built on a $1400 action that cycled smoother. If you're getting into fast paced competitions like PRS then I can see where having a smooth action would be a benefit. If you're just hunting or doing some LR plinking it really won't make a practical difference.

What's your realistic budget for the build (just the rifle)? You can build off your Remington action and it will probably cost you around $1000 on the low end if you use a modestly priced stock, good trigger, an average SS barrel and have a good local smith put it together for you. Start adding in carbon fiber barrels, high end stocks and triggers and a big name smith and you'll hit $3000 pretty quick even if you use your Rem action.

Another good option is to browse the classified section of sites like Long Range Hunting or Accurate Shooter and find a good deal on a used custom/semi-custom gun. You can easily save $1000 by buying a lightly used custom.
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Re: Is it worth it
« Reply #14 on: July 31, 2019, 06:13:20 PM »
I have a Kampfeld reworked 700 , a Cooper and a full blown custom . They all shoot the same accuracy wise , but all fill a different role. The Kampfeld is a 223 I had put together because I wanted a chassis gun , and something my 10 year old could shoot . The Cooper is my deer rifle and the custom my elk rifle . Do I regreat building the custom or having Carl build the 700 , no . Would I do it again ? It would be hard with all the options out now , Bergara , Kimber , Christiansen .
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