I hunt 124 regularly on private land and I can tell you that where I hunt, around the base of mount Spokane and mead area, the deer numbers are down significantly. I will be going over there Nov 16-18 with a disabled vet friend that is retired Navy. Trying to find some private land access myself. We will be going north and killing our 8 turkeys, the. Looming for a doe. Been studying onyx for public lands and can let you know if we find anything. PM me and we can stay in touch.