Doug flutty hunts these hills also. Total driving around stopping at every pull out with the worst bugle out there and chuckle weak at best. They do sell production bugle tubes that sound much better. Lost track of the nice bull I had found amazing how they disappear. Found a different small herd with a borderline shooter and more rags may just have to make a play this evening. Getting to hunt on my bday is a treat and if that bull wants some he just might get it. Bugling is slow and big bulls or elk even aren't everywhere. small pockets hold elk similar to otc units. For those of you considering this unit get in shape,have a good rig with new brakes,tires and realize this is still hunting. I also noticed those old cows have been alive long enough that they are super aware and avoid the spots from past hunting pressure even in a special draw unit. They are keeping big bulls alive!