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OMG these are wolves!
« on: December 05, 2020, 06:35:19 PM »
400 of them!   (Siberia super pack)




I was impressed by that thermal image, wondering if they really are all wolves?   

« Last Edit: December 05, 2020, 06:56:32 PM by KFhunter »

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Re: OMG these are wolves!
« Reply #1 on: December 05, 2020, 06:38:31 PM »
What???

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Re: OMG these are wolves!
« Reply #2 on: December 05, 2020, 06:59:22 PM »
Sorry, I suck at posting stuff from my phone.   It's fixed now   :chuckle:


It's a highly dramatized youtube vid of a town in Siberia that sees huge packs of wolves.   In the video the old native talks about a group of 7-8 kids that were eaten by wolves when the pack rolled in.  I think all at once?   Not sure. 


The vid sure could be a lot better   :bash:


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Re: OMG these are wolves!
« Reply #3 on: December 05, 2020, 07:07:27 PM »
And who says you don’t need an AR 15

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Re: OMG these are wolves!
« Reply #4 on: December 05, 2020, 07:11:33 PM »
See it now! Thought those were tracks in the snow!!!

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Re: OMG these are wolves!
« Reply #5 on: December 05, 2020, 07:32:26 PM »
And who says you don’t need an AR 15
If I were Putin, that pack would get a tsar Bomba


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Re: OMG these are wolves!
« Reply #6 on: December 06, 2020, 12:21:26 PM »
One of the problems that Russia has is that its people aren't armed, for the most part. In remote but populated areas around the world, wolves go in cycles of about 20 years, coming closer to humans each year until they start killing livestock and eventually, people. This is true in Russia, Scandinavia, The Crapistans, Iran. The government shooters come in and kill the pack(s) and the cycle begins again. We have much the same effect here because of the protections on the Canadian wolves. Until they're actively hunted by humans, they'll keep killing livestock, coming closer to human habitation and easy food (pets, garbage, etc.), and kids will eventually be killed/eaten. Ignorance of these cycles is dangerous, especially in a state where the residents of King Co. have more say about what happens to wolves in the areas where wolves live than the residents who are forced to live with the wolves.
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Re: OMG these are wolves!
« Reply #7 on: December 06, 2020, 11:50:40 PM »
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Re: OMG these are wolves!
« Reply #8 on: December 13, 2020, 07:23:02 PM »
One of the problems that Russia has is that its people aren't armed, for the most part. In remote but populated areas around the world, wolves go in cycles of about 20 years, coming closer to humans each year until they start killing livestock and eventually, people. This is true in Russia, Scandinavia, The Crapistans, Iran. The government shooters come in and kill the pack(s) and the cycle begins again. We have much the same effect here because of the protections on the Canadian wolves. Until they're actively hunted by humans, they'll keep killing livestock, coming closer to human habitation and easy food (pets, garbage, etc.), and kids will eventually be killed/eaten. Ignorance of these cycles is dangerous, especially in a state where the residents of King Co. have more say about what happens to wolves in the areas where wolves live than the residents who are forced to live with the wolves.

 :yeah: With many close calls in WA in the last ten years we have already hit the stage where wolves are eyeballing humans as food, unfortunately WDFW hide these incidences if possible.

Each year we have a new close call, and now with cross country skiing ramping up in the Methow, and with a smaller prey base, some us wonder if this will be the year of education, wolves verses skier. As P-man stated many of them believe the BS lies from WDFW, CNW etc. that wolves are shy timid creatures etc..


Seven Stages Leading to A Wolf Attack on People

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Seven Stages Leading to A Wolf Attack on People
APRIL 8, 2014 BY DR. VALERIUS GEIST
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Prepared by Dr. Valerius Geist:
These Are The Seven Stages Leading To An Attack On People By Wolves
1) Within the pack’s territory prey is becoming scarce not only due to increased predation on native prey animals, but also by the prey evacuating home ranges en mass, leading to a virtual absence of prey. Or wolves increasingly visit garbage dumps at night. We observed the former on Vancouver Island in summer and fall 1999.
Deer left the meadow systems occupied by wolves and entered boldly into suburbs and farms, causing – for the first time – much damage to gardens. At night they slept close to barns and houses, which they had not done in the previous four years.
The wintering grounds of trumpeter swans, Canada geese and flocks of several species of ducks were vacated. The virtual absence of wildlife in the landscape was striking.
2) Wolves in search of food began to approach human habitations – at night! Their presence was announced by frequent and loud barking of farm dogs. A pack of sheep-guarding dogs raced out each evening to confront the wolf pack, resulting in extended barking duels at night, and the wolves were heard howling even during the day.
3) The wolves appear in daylight and observe people doing their daily chores at some distance. Wolves excel at learning by close, steady observation [1]. They approach buildings during daylight.
4) Small bodied livestock and pets are attacked close to buildings even during the day. The wolves act distinctly bolder in the actions.
They preferentially pick on dogs and follow them right up to the verandas. People out with dogs find themselves defending their dogs against a wolf or several wolves. Such attacks are still hesitant and people save some dogs.
At this stage wolves do not focus on humans, but attack pets and some livestock with determination. However, they may threaten humans with teeth exposed and growling when the humans are defending dogs, or show up close to a female dog in heat, or close to a kill or carrion defended by wolves. The wolves are still establishing territory.
5) The wolves explore large livestock, leading to docked tails, slit ears and hocks. Livestock may bolt through fences running for the safety of barns. When the first seriously wounded cattle are found they tend to have severe injuries to the udders, groin and sexual organs and need to be put down. The actions of wolves become more brazen and cattle or horses may be killed close to houses and barns where the cattle or horses were trying to find refuge. Wolves may follow riders and surround them. They may mount verandas and look into windows.
6) Wolves turn their attention to people and approach them closely, initially merely examining them closely for several minutes on end. This is a switch from establishing territory to targeting people as prey. The wolves may make hesitant, almost playful attacks biting and tearing clothing, nipping at limbs and torso. They withdraw when confronted. They defend kills by moving toward people and growling and barking at them from 10 – 20 paces away.
7) Wolves attack people. These initial attacks are clumsy, as the wolves have not yet learned how to take down the new prey efficiently. Persons attacked can often escape because of the clumsiness of the attacks.
A mature courageous man may beat off or strangulate an attacking wolf. However, against a wolf pack there is no defense and even two able and armed men may be killed. Wolves as pack hunters are so capable a predator that they may take down black bears, even grizzly bears [2]. Wolves may defend kills.
The attack may not be motivated by predation, but be a matter of more detailed exploration unmotivated by hunger. This explains why wolves on occasion carry away living, resisting children, why they do not invariably feed on the humans they killed, but may abandon such just as they may kill foxes and just leave them, and why injuries to an attacked person may at times be surprisingly light, granted the strength of a wolf’s jaw and its potential shearing power [3].
[1] – It is important to recognize here that wolves learn in a manner different from dogs, and that they excel at learning by closely observing what is going on. They are insight learners, and they solve problems, such as unlatching gates, for instance, almost at once!
Some dogs may solve this, but over a very long time, and usually not at all. Captive wolves or coyotes not only learn to open their cage, but quickly open all the others as well! And they achieve this by sitting and just watching attentively – an activity wild wolves indulge in continually.
From an elevated position they rest or sit and watch, watch, watch. Many times wolves followed me and on some occasions sat beside my cabin at night, orientated towards the cabin, apparently watching what was going on.
Wolves have large heads relative to the body and at comparable skull sizes have about ten percent more brain mass than dogs. See Ray and Lorna Coppinger 2001 Dogs, pp. 42-47, 54-55.
[2] – Personal communication by Dr. Paul Paquet from research on coastal wolves in British Columbia. Wolf scat contained fur and claws of both black bears and grizzly bears.
[3] – I am grateful to Prof. Harry Frank drawing my attention to multiple motivations of wolves attacking people.


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Re: OMG these are wolves!
« Reply #9 on: December 13, 2020, 10:49:34 PM »
I was gonna reply but I am not

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Re: OMG these are wolves!
« Reply #10 on: December 14, 2020, 01:15:21 AM »
Somebody at my work just asked me the best way to see a wolf I of course told them through a scope.

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Re: OMG these are wolves!
« Reply #11 on: December 14, 2020, 06:13:01 AM »
covered with dirt in a hole

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Re: OMG these are wolves!
« Reply #12 on: December 15, 2020, 07:45:22 PM »
That was an interesting article Wolfbait. Not sure where you are located but I’ve noticed many of the points in the article happening in northeastern washington. Just outside of Colville, the Aladdin road, Williams lake road, and flat creek road run through the valleys and are littered with large fields bordered by heavy timber, some active grass hay fields, some abandoned hay fields and a few alfalfa fields. Aside from the alfalfa fields, there is no difference between any of the grass fields along all 3 roads.
Not too many years ago on any given evening there would be 50+ does and small bucks feeding in the majority of these fields.
Today? You are hard pressed to see more than a few stray does in any of the fields that are more than a couple miles outside of town. And the fields that are near town have 100+ deer in them which is way too many deer for the area to support.
It’s simple, the deer know there isn’t nearly as many predators near civilization (yet), but I have a feeling in the next few years large numbers of predators will be following the ungulates into town. Hell, we’re already having cougars snatch dogs off porches in colville and kettle falls on a nearly monthly basis.

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Re: OMG these are wolves!
« Reply #13 on: December 18, 2020, 07:10:59 PM »
That was an interesting article Wolfbait. Not sure where you are located but I’ve noticed many of the points in the article happening in northeastern washington. Just outside of Colville, the Aladdin road, Williams lake road, and flat creek road run through the valleys and are littered with large fields bordered by heavy timber, some active grass hay fields, some abandoned hay fields and a few alfalfa fields. Aside from the alfalfa fields, there is no difference between any of the grass fields along all 3 roads.
Not too many years ago on any given evening there would be 50+ does and small bucks feeding in the majority of these fields.
Today? You are hard pressed to see more than a few stray does in any of the fields that are more than a couple miles outside of town. And the fields that are near town have 100+ deer in them which is way too many deer for the area to support.
It’s simple, the deer know there isn’t nearly as many predators near civilization (yet), but I have a feeling in the next few years large numbers of predators will be following the ungulates into town. Hell, we’re already having cougars snatch dogs off porches in colville and kettle falls on a nearly monthly basis.

I live in Methow Valley, first I heard of wolf/people problems was in 2009, people followed etc., of course WDFW won't ever inform the public unless they don't have a choice, and when they do they change the story to favor or excuse aggression by wolves.

We have watched the deer herds drop over the last 17 years, seeing our first wolves in 2004, from 2010 to date the drop has been more noticeable. Wolves have killed dogs and livestock only to have WDFW lie or cover the killings up. Yesterday some folks in Twisp watched wolves chase a doe off the hill on the outskirts of city limits cross the county rd behind Hanks Market, I wonder what WDFW's response will be when wolves are killing the town deer, or if the wolf lovers will have a different opinion of wolves at that point.  :dunno:

And then there is the over population of cougars, growing up here the only time we saw cougars was up a tree with hounds bawling their lungs out at the base. Now seeing cougars every winter is no big deal. Last year I saw 7 different cougars, all within 5 miles of Twisp. This year I have seen two different cougars so far, not seeing many coyotes this year though, I talk to a guy that hunts coyotes hard every year, he said he's not seeing many either, so maybe the wolves have cut them down also.

A good herd of deer these days, is five to ten head and most of them will be in town.

WDFW and the wolf lovers on H-W should be a proud bunch, they have accomplished what they set out to do.

Anytime deer, elk etc. move into town you know you have a wolf problem..

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Re: OMG these are wolves!
« Reply #14 on: December 18, 2020, 07:22:00 PM »
 :yeah: and coyotes dissapear that was our first sign of the smackout pack, and the howling, and the cattle attacks,and the lady being stalked on the highway.

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Re: OMG these are wolves!
« Reply #15 on: December 20, 2020, 10:01:47 AM »
Completely agree with both previous posts.

Washington Department of Fish and Wolves will continue to lie through their teeth about predator numbers and how much they care about deer numbers, all the while the amount of sharp teeth is multiplying and the amount of smooth teeth is dwindling.

As far as the coyotes go, for years we used coyote howls to locate where the dogs were at before setting up calling. Fast forward to today and coyotes know better than to start howling, that’s the best way for them to end up getting ran down by a territorial pack of wolves.

 


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