Banning trail cameras in Arizona

[Skyvalhunter]

Lets just face it some people are a little more anal at things than others and over think and especially over dramatize things or flat out just like to complain.

[justyhntr]

The argument from those apposed/indifferent to game/cell cameras is the same argument I heard in 1996 from hunters. Unfair advantage, garbage in the woods, when I go to the woods I want peace and quite, I don't want to hear a bunch of dogs barking or I don't do it so it doesn't impact me. What's next, spotting scopes, ecallers, ONX? The list can go on and on.  Every time we give up one aspect of what we do and love in the outdoors we move on to another, mind blowing. If we keep eating our own we will continue this constant back slide. Another win for those that would love to see us go away, and we do it to ourselves. 

[bear]

I’m in favor of taking them out of the public land before hunting season in WA.

[trophyhunt]

Lets just face it some people are a little more anal at things than others and over think and especially over dramatize things or flat out just like to complain.

[trophyhunt]

The argument from those apposed/indifferent to game/cell cameras is the same argument I heard in 1996 from hunters. Unfair advantage, garbage in the woods, when I go to the woods I want peace and quite, I don't want to hear a bunch of dogs barking or I don't do it so it doesn't impact me. What's next, spotting scopes, ecallers, ONX? The list can go on and on.  Every time we give up one aspect of what we do and love in the outdoors we move on to another, mind blowing. If we keep eating our own we will continue this constant back slide. Another win for those that would love to see us go away, and we do it to ourselves. 

Bingo!!!!!!   

[grundy53]

I always thought I was the only one that hated trail cameras. Most people won’t agree with me but trail cameras are an invasion of privacy. If you took your kids to the park and there were cameras strapped to all the trees people would freak out but it’s ok in the national forest. I go to the woods to leave technology and electronics behind and yes, I do carry a gps and my phone but I don’t leave them strapped to trees for everyone to see. They are just another form of litter the same as helium balloons, water bottles and beer cans.that being said, on your own private property, do what you want.

There is no expectation of privacy in a public area. If you want privacy you should stay home.

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[grundy53]

What personal property should be allowed to be left on public land indefinitely?

You make a lot of assumptions that people are leaving them there indefinitely.  What is your definition of indefinitely anyway? 

Before I had private property I had some cams in the Chihuahua unit.  I would check them monthly and take them down for the winter.  Depending on the area I would move them year to year. 

Your camping footprint (assuming you camp on public land when you hunt) leaves a bigger footprint than my camera hanging in a tree.  Should people rehab their camp spots to wipe out any trace of human activity or should we just ban all recreation on public lands.  You ever crapped in the woods and left a pile of toilet paper or paper towels?  That could take a year to biodegrade....is that indefinite based on your definition?  Just curious because it sounds like people are just hanging cameras, walking away and never coming back to get them.   

Just asking a question.

I'll be more specific, let's say two months.  What personal property is it ok to leave for two months unattended on public property?  Is it just cameras, or anything as long as you come back at some point to check on it?

Traps. Do you want to ban trapping too?

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[Buckhunter24]

Makes sense to me in Arizona if its having a negative impact on the game.

In Washington, I don't see any possible negative impact on the animals in the areas I hang them - western Washington and northeast Washington. It takes a lot of effort to hang them, hike back in and check cards etc, its part of scouting and is fair chase. Drawing the line at real time/cellular makes sense to me - my opinion is its no longer fair chase at that point.

[NOCK NOCK]

What personal property should be allowed to be left on public land indefinitely?

You make a lot of assumptions that people are leaving them there indefinitely.  What is your definition of indefinitely anyway? 

Before I had private property I had some cams in the Chihuahua unit.  I would check them monthly and take them down for the winter.  Depending on the area I would move them year to year. 

Your camping footprint (assuming you camp on public land when you hunt) leaves a bigger footprint than my camera hanging in a tree.  Should people rehab their camp spots to wipe out any trace of human activity or should we just ban all recreation on public lands.  You ever crapped in the woods and left a pile of toilet paper or paper towels?  That could take a year to biodegrade....is that indefinite based on your definition?  Just curious because it sounds like people are just hanging cameras, walking away and never coming back to get them.   

Just asking a question.

I'll be more specific, let's say two months.  What personal property is it ok to leave for two months unattended on public property?  Is it just cameras, or anything as long as you come back at some point to check on it?

Hmmm,
Trailheads  1-14 day hikes/trips. Are those vehicles left behind free game?
Public camp grounds like FS. Is all that considered littering seeing as how it sits for months every year without being used?
Those cool memorials  that are left in the mountains to remember a fallen hunter/?
Anyone who's been up the Entiat valley, Isn't that graffiti at the bottom?
Trappers traps?
Native's fish and game tracking devices/traps?
Bullets/arrows/fish lures we all leave behind.  Littering?
Mining claim owners are allowed to do some improvements. Is it OK to take their stuff? It is public land they are on?


Funny thing about us humans is how smart we "think" we are. We never own anything in this world(personal property) we are just "renting" it if you will. 100 years from now how much of your private land will you own?

Just another hunter against hunter thing like all the rest...........WE are digging our own grave!!

[Stein]

What personal property should be allowed to be left on public land indefinitely?

You make a lot of assumptions that people are leaving them there indefinitely.  What is your definition of indefinitely anyway? 

Before I had private property I had some cams in the Chihuahua unit.  I would check them monthly and take them down for the winter.  Depending on the area I would move them year to year. 

Your camping footprint (assuming you camp on public land when you hunt) leaves a bigger footprint than my camera hanging in a tree.  Should people rehab their camp spots to wipe out any trace of human activity or should we just ban all recreation on public lands.  You ever crapped in the woods and left a pile of toilet paper or paper towels?  That could take a year to biodegrade....is that indefinite based on your definition?  Just curious because it sounds like people are just hanging cameras, walking away and never coming back to get them.   

Just asking a question.

I'll be more specific, let's say two months.  What personal property is it ok to leave for two months unattended on public property?  Is it just cameras, or anything as long as you come back at some point to check on it?

Traps. Do you want to ban trapping too?

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That's actually a good point although I think they have to be checked every 24 or 72 hours depending on the trap?  There are also seasons and places where you can and can't set them. 

I am for trapping.  I'm generally for not removing hunting opportunity for the sake of removing it as opposed to removing or limiting due to resource declines.

Tech is a big issue with hunting, it's popping up everywhere and will only increase.  I think it's perfectly acceptable for hunters to have conversations about issues and it's even ok if we don't all agree.

[NOCK NOCK]

You arrive at a camp site on public land. Another group is already camped there. Is it Ok to just set up your camp amongst theirs? Its public land, 1st campers do not OWN it. Better yet, just leave all your stuff in your rig, heck easier to just use all theirs.

[grundy53]

What personal property should be allowed to be left on public land indefinitely?

You make a lot of assumptions that people are leaving them there indefinitely.  What is your definition of indefinitely anyway? 

Before I had private property I had some cams in the Chihuahua unit.  I would check them monthly and take them down for the winter.  Depending on the area I would move them year to year. 

Your camping footprint (assuming you camp on public land when you hunt) leaves a bigger footprint than my camera hanging in a tree.  Should people rehab their camp spots to wipe out any trace of human activity or should we just ban all recreation on public lands.  You ever crapped in the woods and left a pile of toilet paper or paper towels?  That could take a year to biodegrade....is that indefinite based on your definition?  Just curious because it sounds like people are just hanging cameras, walking away and never coming back to get them.   

Just asking a question.

I'll be more specific, let's say two months.  What personal property is it ok to leave for two months unattended on public property?  Is it just cameras, or anything as long as you come back at some point to check on it?

Traps. Do you want to ban trapping too?

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That's actually a good point although I think they have to be checked every 24 or 72 hours depending on the trap?  There are also seasons and places where you can and can't set them. 

I am for trapping.  I'm generally for not removing hunting opportunity for the sake of removing it as opposed to removing or limiting due to resource declines.

Tech is a big issue with hunting, it's popping up everywhere and will only increase.  I think it's perfectly acceptable for hunters to have conversations about issues and it's even ok if we don't all agree.

They check them. But leave them there. Just like I do with a trail cameras. I agree about tech in general becoming an issue IF  (and that's a big if) it increases harvest rate  or causes a decline in herd populations. You would be hard pressed to convince me non cell trail camera's do either.

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[Katmai Guy]

How about having a cellular camera watching a trap set? does this constitute checking since its real time?  Would be kind of cool to see how the animal  reacts to the set prior to either leaving or being caught.

[Stein]

You arrive at a camp site on public land. Another group is already camped there. Is it Ok to just set up your camp amongst theirs? Its public land, 1st campers do not OWN it. Better yet, just leave all your stuff in your rig, heck easier to just use all theirs.

I don't think anyone on this thread suggested stealing stuff?

[bhawley76]

How's that song go, if you mind your own business then you wont be minding mine. I hate how so many threads turn sportsman against sportsman, Cameras, range finders, 209 primers, camps, lighted nocks, mechanical broad heads, ebikes, 4wheelers the list goes on and on.