Banning trail cameras in Arizona

[vandeman17]

I personally don't want trail cameras banned as I run them and love it. I am just more on the fence for cell cameras as they feel like a slippery slope. I won't knock people who use them but I also would understand fully if they were banned, at least during open hunting season. 

[Oh Mah]

ITS NOT WHAT IT STARTED AS BUT IT IS WHAT IT TURNED INTO.

GOOD GRIEF.

[BreezyBear]

I've yet to hear a reason for banning trail cameras (at any time of the year) other than "I don't like them." 

For the anti trail camera guys / gals....can you please provide a reason to ban trail cameras?  Change my mind.....  Does it make me a better hunter?  Does it give me an unfair advantage?  Does it increase harvest rate?  Does it have a negative impact on harvest numbers? 


I will itemize what I see as the advantages;

1.  I can manage my hunting based on intel obtained that would otherwise be an unknown.  Example....the big brown color phase bear has cubs so don't shoot her.  As opposed to Bear!!!!  Bang!!!!  Oh crap she was wet and I now killed three bears instead of one. 
2.  Seeing cougars (predators in general) that would otherwise not be seen.....I have a cougar problem and I have the proof that WDFW refuses to acknowledge.  Same goes for our non existent wolf problem that WDFW refuses to acknowledge.  I have wolf pics and I can monitor that problem year to year.   
3.  Seeing year to year the changes in game numbers and health of game to dictate the hunting pressure I'm willing to put on a piece of land.
4.  Allows me to hunt year around.  Keeps me active but also lessons the actual footprint on the land, thus lessening the stress on game. 
5.  Allows me to see game that is not alert and watch them in a more natural sense / setting. 
6.  Security for trespassers, poachers, etc. 
7.  It is just good clean fun that really does not hurt anyone.  It gets my kids excited to hike and hunt.  It is like going on a scavenger hunt as opposed to just a hike in the hills.  My family loves pulling trail cams and can't wait to get home to look at the bounty. 

Please list the Cons because so far this is all I've heard;

1.  Littering....this does not pass the smell test, I have never left a trail cam without recovering it at some point.  I check them regularly.
2.  Privacy.....Well, this is another thread in and of itself.  What are you worried you may get caught doing???  Privacy is not an inherent right on public land. 
3.  Unfair advantage....prove it, give me specifics.  My cameras do not make me a more successful hunter or give me an unfair advantage but maybe I'm doing it wrong. 
4.  What else?? 

Well stated!!  Running cameras is fun, something very much needed this year!!

[vandeman17]

ITS NOT WHAT IT STARTED AS BUT IT IS WHAT IT TURNED INTO.

GOOD GRIEF.

It is what you start in almost every thread you are involved in. It is always a pissing match of what you deem is right and your unwillingness to ever have a discussion.

[Oh Mah]

I run them with my whole family,together as a family in the outdoors having good clean family fun that don't hurt anything or anyone. 

[Oh Mah]

ITS NOT WHAT IT STARTED AS BUT IT IS WHAT IT TURNED INTO.

GOOD GRIEF.

It is what you start in almost every thread you are involved in. It is always a pissing match of what you deem is right and your unwillingness to ever have a discussion.

Not true but nice try.

[Stein]

So how do cell cameras give a hunter an advantage?

Real or perceived, they do provide an advantage or guides and others wouldn't forego the expense and time.  Some are literally running over 100 cameras.  I'm sure some people just like looking at pictures of course, but the percentage of people doing it to help their hunt has to be very high.  I'm not saying this is necessarily bad, we use advantages in hunting all the time, just the reality of them.

There are two issues, whether the advantage should be allowed and whether stuff should be left on public land.  In AZ, sounds like the latter was the issue, too much stuff left on public land and a general nuisance.

With cameras, as you noted they are already pretty much standard practice and a part of the culture for people that use them and I appreciate that position.  I am glad the drone issue was settled one way or another at the start and it's the way it should be.  Once the tech hits the market, have the conversation and the thumbs up or down before it gets widely adopted.

[Oh Mah]

Get all the spy cameras off public land.  Do what you want on your own land.

right off the bat.spy cameras huh.

[Buckhunter24]

This is a good article I had not come across until today. Worth a read, I cod be convinced of a 24 hr delay being a good idea.

https://www.themeateater.com/hunt/whitetail-deer/ask-wired-to-hunt-are-wireless-trail-cameras-fair-chase

[vandeman17]

This is a good article I had not come across until today. Worth a read, I cod be convinced of a 24 hr delay being a good idea.

https://www.themeateater.com/hunt/whitetail-deer/ask-wired-to-hunt-are-wireless-trail-cameras-fair-chase

I agree with this and think its why a DISCUSSION is warranted so that people can hear differing opinions though some on here will refuse to listen. That doesn't mean a lot of us don't appreciate an open minded back and forth.

[MR5x5]

Don't' run any. Don't care if you do.  But lets not pretend that in a "hunting  application" they are not used to gain an advantage, which presumably leads to more or better quality harvest.  If not for locating, quality checking, and patterning animals why else are they in use? Whether or not they effect harvest, en masse, who knows. 

Cell cams and hunting within 24 hrs of flying - seems to be addressing the same basic issue - real time location of game.  I'd rather not see that.

[Magnum_Willys]

I've yet to hear a reason for banning trail cameras (at any time of the year) other than "I don't like them." 

For the anti trail camera guys / gals....can you please provide a reason to ban trail cameras?  Change my mind.....  Does it make me a better hunter?  Does it give me an unfair advantage?  Does it increase harvest rate?  Does it have a negative impact on harvest numbers? 


I will itemize what I see as the advantages;


Please list the Cons because so far this is all I've heard;
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4.  What else??

I use em off season but what I don’t like is going out hunting and walking by a camera at every wallow.   Why?   Just does.  Spending a lil time outdoors enjoying nature and solitude and heres techno and other hunters per se already there.    Be fine with outlawing Sep-Nov.

[Oh Mah]

This is a good article I had not come across until today. Worth a read, I cod be convinced of a 24 hr delay being a good idea.

https://www.themeateater.com/hunt/whitetail-deer/ask-wired-to-hunt-are-wireless-trail-cameras-fair-chase

I agree with this and think its why a DISCUSSION is warranted so that people can hear differing opinions though some on here will refuse to listen. That doesn't mean a lot of us don't appreciate an open minded back and forth.

I listen,I read,You do realize DISCUSSIONS like this is what has lead to all of the eroding of what we do in the outdoors right?Whether it is on a forum or in private setting.Prop 90 started with discussions and opinions. 

[Stein]

This is a good article I had not come across until today. Worth a read, I cod be convinced of a 24 hr delay being a good idea.

https://www.themeateater.com/hunt/whitetail-deer/ask-wired-to-hunt-are-wireless-trail-cameras-fair-chase

States seem to have gone one of two routes, free for all or none (during hunting season).  I would guess enforcement of any rules in the middle would be nearly impossible.

[Buckhunter24]

This is a good article I had not come across until today. Worth a read, I cod be convinced of a 24 hr delay being a good idea.

https://www.themeateater.com/hunt/whitetail-deer/ask-wired-to-hunt-are-wireless-trail-cameras-fair-chase

I agree with this and think its why a DISCUSSION is warranted so that people can hear differing opinions though some on here will refuse to listen. That doesn't mean a lot of us don't appreciate an open minded back and forth.

I listen,I read,You do realize DISCUSSIONS like this is what has lead to all of the eroding of what we do in the outdoors right?Whether it is on a forum or in private setting.Prop 90 started with discussions and opinions. 

Dude its a new hunting related technology. This forum is the right place to discuss the ins and outs of it and get perspectives. All new technology is going to be evaluated by the user group, and everyone is going to form an opinion on it.