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Re: WDFW is at it again... Goodbye Packgoats
« Reply #15 on: January 13, 2022, 08:42:07 AM »
I would bet this is being driven by the bunny loving, flower sniffing, spandex wearing, prius driving, tree hugging, CNW members rather than a science based study results.
As far as the bands of sheep  grazing in areas, other members of this forum can either verify or tell me I'm wrong but when we had the bands of 10,000 sheep and herds of 300 head of cattle grazing the OWNF there were fires but not as catastrophic that consumed so many acres as the sheep and cattle kept the undergrowth grazed down. Then the grazing permits were sold to conservation groups and
 the fires of hell rage every summer.
Just my :twocents:

All of these new policies are coming from the same place. These people are fundamentally opposed to the way you and I live our lives.

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Re: WDFW is at it again... Goodbye Packgoats
« Reply #16 on: January 13, 2022, 09:00:43 AM »
Unicorns carry more weight on the trail, and leave no trace.  Please consider this earth friendly alternative.

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Re: WDFW is at it again... Goodbye Packgoats
« Reply #17 on: January 13, 2022, 09:04:37 AM »
I commented. What a crock.
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Re: WDFW is at it again... Goodbye Packgoats
« Reply #18 on: January 13, 2022, 09:33:01 AM »
If goats are outlawed soon only Arabs will have goats.

Just sayin.

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Re: WDFW is at it again... Goodbye Packgoats
« Reply #19 on: January 13, 2022, 09:42:57 AM »
Sounds like there is evidence that goats may carry MOVI.

https://www.aphis.usda.gov/aphis/ourfocus/animalhealth/sa_animal_disease_information/sheep-goat/movi/mycoplasma-ovipneumoniae

"Prevalence in domestic goats is less understood and studies differ. An unpublished Alaskan study detected M. ovipneumoniae in 4/32 domestic goat premises (12%), and in 12/485 domestic goats (2.5%), while a Washington study sampled 84 goats from 16 premises and detected M. ovipneumoniae in 7/16 (44%) premises (individual animal results not reported). An unpublished study, sampling goats on pack goat premises in 12 states, found M. ovipneumoniae in 14/83 premises (17%) and 46/571 of all goats sampled (8%), with significantly higher prevalence in those less than 1 year of age. An ongoing USDA NAHMS national study will report M. ovipneumoniae prevalence in U.S. domestic goats."

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Re: WDFW is at it again... Goodbye Packgoats
« Reply #20 on: January 13, 2022, 09:58:50 AM »
Comment left. What an unnecessary and discriminatory proposal. It would ban pack goats in areas where wild sheep don't even live! Absurd.

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Re: WDFW is at it again... Goodbye Packgoats
« Reply #21 on: January 13, 2022, 10:32:18 AM »
Comment left. What an unnecessary and discriminatory proposal. It would ban pack goats in areas where wild sheep don't even live! Absurd.

I do agree that they should at least be allowed were there are no wild sheep.
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Re: WDFW is at it again... Goodbye Packgoats
« Reply #22 on: January 13, 2022, 10:44:24 AM »
I would bet this is being driven by the bunny loving, flower sniffing, spandex wearing, prius driving, tree hugging, CNW members rather than a science based study results.
As far as the bands of sheep  grazing in areas, other members of this forum can either verify or tell me I'm wrong but when we had the bands of 10,000 sheep and herds of 300 head of cattle grazing the OWNF there were fires but not as catastrophic that consumed so many acres as the sheep and cattle kept the undergrowth grazed down. Then the grazing permits were sold to conservation groups and
 the fires of hell rage every summer.
Just my :twocents:

I think the bigger problem with domestic sheep is the spread of diseases to wild sheep not necessarily the grazing. Goats and llamas and etc I’m not so sure about. If it comes down to a choice I would choose wild sheep over domestic on our public lands. But I would say the same about bison and domestic cattle but we won’t be getting bison back on our public lands anytime soon.

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Re: WDFW is at it again... Goodbye Packgoats
« Reply #23 on: January 13, 2022, 11:03:50 AM »
Are pack goats even used in the same areas as Bighorn? Why a blanket ban on wdfw lands? Surely wdfw is overacting with a blanket ban.

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Re: WDFW is at it again... Goodbye Packgoats
« Reply #24 on: January 13, 2022, 12:48:33 PM »
Just another reason to be thankful to NOT live in the sh thole known as Washington state.

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Re: WDFW is at it again... Goodbye Packgoats
« Reply #25 on: January 13, 2022, 03:03:53 PM »
Wait till they ban HORSES! :chuckle:
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Re: WDFW is at it again... Goodbye Packgoats
« Reply #26 on: January 13, 2022, 03:04:29 PM »
Wait till they ban HORSES! :chuckle:

I mean…. It’s a much much larger user group than pack goats but….
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Re: WDFW is at it again... Goodbye Packgoats
« Reply #27 on: January 13, 2022, 03:16:53 PM »
Would it be beyond the WDFW to look into banning hikers taking dogs on trails where wolves might exist? Not only from a disease standpoint, but just mental stress that might cause to both varieties of canines! What a bunch of clowns.

















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Re: WDFW is at it again... Goodbye Packgoats
« Reply #28 on: January 13, 2022, 04:24:10 PM »
What about the Domestic Goats on 97A before Entiat that the Bighorns routinely get into the pen with. Every year during the rut I see Bighorn Rams in the pen with the goats. Better ban them too!
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Re: WDFW is at it again... Goodbye Packgoats
« Reply #29 on: January 13, 2022, 06:13:44 PM »
Are pack goats even used in the same areas as Bighorn? Why a blanket ban on wdfw lands? Surely wdfw is overacting with a blanket ban.

No I don't think they are.

 


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