Hunters need to make a Statement

[baldopepper]

Guess my point is sportsmen have to go looking for you as opposed to you actively looking for them. Don't know how I got on their list,  but Humane Society and Peta seem to have no problem hitting me with spam and even an occasional mailer. We all see the Humane Society begging for money on TV.  There's a ton of hunters out there who don't belong to clubs or any organized group, but are still  looking to fight the anties. Staying in shadows for much longer could leave a lot of willing members in the dark.

[KFhunter]

RMEF spammed me for years

[Special T]

Why look here, some of us can set things aside and work for a common good.  Special T, Hunter4life, Tbar, and all the rest I will be sending a check for 40.00 dollars to HHC.

Thanks for the information 👍

Well. How do we pump them up? Had a license in this state  since 1980 and have never been approached for membership or donation to them.. Obviusly they haven't gotten the word out to enough of us. Would like a little more info , like how many members, how much and to whom have they contributed to. Etc.  Do they put out a newsletter or mailings and if so how do you get on the list? Sounds like a good organization that has done a lousy recruitment effort. Perhaps that's an area know-how members on here can help with. Must be a way of getting there name and goals out to more licensed hunters and sportsmen.

You ask some good questions. How do you you pump them up? If your a FB person like their page. If you belong to a sportmens organization you tell them to investigate and or join.(I Have).

A question for some of you. What is your hesitation? I hesitated  because I'm like most of you, a skeptic. It wasn't until I had a beer with Bushcraft, and I had talked with my friends in Washington Waterfowl Association  that I understood who they were and what they did.

Who's endorsement do you need? Pardon me for calling him out but surely @Bearpaw /Dale knows all the parties involved?  Is he not repetutuable enough? Perhaps your a Democrat that is a Sportsmen that think all of us Republicans are shills and cannot be trusted? Brian Blake visits this site. He is no shill, was up for a comissioner seat, headed the House Natural Reasources committee. Think I'm Blowing smoke? He is on Facebook. Send him a private message and ask him what he thinks about HHC/WWC.  He cares deeply about the issues and his record is or can be known. Do you need a representative to speak publicly on a Sportsmen podcast? Fish hunt NW?  THE soulful Hunter? *censored*? The Huntsmen? GRITTY? Meat eater?

If none of these options are sufficient what is? No hate, but I would like to know and I'm sure the folks that try and represent us would like to know as well.

[KFhunter]

Kfhunter and others. Politics is a dirty business and most Sportsmen have a very precise requirement for giving time and money. Why? Because we are individualists, our political enemies are collectivist and give more freely of time and money with less strings attached. Fact is Sportsmen are not unlike Republicans and require a purity test.

Imo opinion the best example is Brian Blake.  I am not a Democrat yet supported his campaign. Many on here have botched and moaned about pick a thing. I did not agree with him on a variety of issues but he was an NRA a+ rated politician and supported Sportsmen well.  Fact every other option we have now is sub par. HHC supported him in many ways. We are properly F e D now with out him.  We have less political powers and yet we infighting amongst  ourselves over if he would be a good comission member. Guess what? If we are too excited forward Sportsmen are going to have to swallow a pill bigger than Blake.

Join me in giving $ to HHC even if it's only $20.  It will require more work than the 20 you give, but we have to organize for the fight. I hope to hear more from our friends at HHC and WWC because our political enemies are organized for the kill shot.

I have had many discussion with Archers at my home range about habitat, what orgs to join and the like. IMO the fight on or door step is political.  Predator control and single species management are the 2 big factors. Add to the the F ery that commission appointments have taken place and we are the under dog.

In terms of HHC they have been the tree falling in the woods with no one around as far as the public is concerned. I have asked my state reps and senator if they know who HHC is and they do.

I canntell you from my time at my local archery club self promotion is the last thing on most people list of things that must be done. At my club we don't just give access to the clubhouse, or the Facebook page to the first person that shows up. You have to earn trust and give back.  TIME is the most valuable commodity, and the next best substitute is cash. Join me in giving something to HHC. 

http://hunte

rsheritagecouncil.org/index.html

I did support Blake, said him having a D behind his name might be advantageous

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[hunter399]

Kfhunter and others. Politics is a dirty business and most Sportsmen have a very precise requirement for giving time and money. Why? Because we are individualists, our political enemies are collectivist and give more freely of time and money with less strings attached. Fact is Sportsmen are not unlike Republicans and require a purity test.

Imo opinion the best example is Brian Blake.  I am not a Democrat yet supported his campaign. Many on here have botched and moaned about pick a thing. I did not agree with him on a variety of issues but he was an NRA a+ rated politician and supported Sportsmen well.  Fact every other option we have now is sub par. HHC supported him in many ways. We are properly F e D now with out him.  We have less political powers and yet we infighting amongst  ourselves over if he would be a good comission member. Guess what? If we are too excited forward Sportsmen are going to have to swallow a pill bigger than Blake.

Join me in giving $ to HHC even if it's only $20.  It will require more work than the 20 you give, but we have to organize for the fight. I hope to hear more from our friends at HHC and WWC because our political enemies are organized for the kill shot.

I have had many discussion with Archers at my home range about habitat, what orgs to join and the like. IMO the fight on or door step is political.  Predator control and single species management are the 2 big factors. Add to the the F ery that commission appointments have taken place and we are the under dog.

In terms of HHC they have been the tree falling in the woods with no one around as far as the public is concerned. I have asked my state reps and senator if they know who HHC is and they do.

I canntell you from my time at my local archery club self promotion is the last thing on most people list of things that must be done. At my club we don't just give access to the clubhouse, or the Facebook page to the first person that shows up. You have to earn trust and give back.  TIME is the most valuable commodity, and the next best substitute is cash. Join me in giving something to HHC. 

http://hunte

rsheritagecouncil.org/index.html

I did support Blake, said him having a D behind his name might be advantageous

There are places in this state that still live free.
I'm not giving any money,bidden already took it at the pump,inslee took it with his long term health care,
WDFW took it to pay for my licence and permits,
SORRY IM OUT OF MONEY,I wouldn't give it to  democrats ,they already have there fair share of my money.
 
Ohh ya don't forget about the discover pass too.
I get it ,that you guys pay off politicians, I say democrats can reap the rewards of how they vote.
I can wait it out ,they'll see the grass on the other pasture.

[Jingles]

Well this thread did not go the way it was intended when started with ways to make a statement to WDFW about  how we as Hunters and Fishers are sick and tired of WDFW  making decisions based on contributions from special interest groups instead of science, to suggesting donating to other special interest groups PAC's to further pad the pockets of already crooked politicians and decision makers. Guess some here feel if you can't beat em join em  then complain about how crooked the system is. Is that "The pot calling the kettle black?"
Yes it might take some serious investigating but and maybe sacrificing time and money but maybe identify what groups applied pressure, made contributions  financial or otherwise to the decision makers would expose the corruption.

[Moose Master]

Every path has obstacles, how you choose to go around or through has some outcomes or consequences.  I  choose to work with others no matter what sometimes the outcome is.

Blame game is a easy pathway I've moved pass that. 

[blackdog]

Which candidates we work is our own personal decision. The point is hunters need to wear out some boot leather supporting pro hunting candidates.

[Special T]

I'm sorry I  led the discussion a stray. Fact is some kind of wholesale boycot has been bandied about on here continuously. I pointed out what I think is the current most effective way. So to attempt to reign the discussion in and organize it let's lay out some of the options.

Stop hunting in this state. Some already have, most sportmen  will ignore a boycott, and the Antis want us to quit hunting.

Petition the WDFW and or the Commission. We absolutely flooded the comissionon bears thanks to a bunch of folks but also our own Doug Boze, local expert. Appearing on alanine of podcasts rally troops and promoting H4W.  The comission ignored  science and the huge turnout of sportmen

Petition the Senate Natural resources committee  on comissioner appointments.  2 bills existed on trying to resolve the lack of conformation. The Nat Resorce committee held a strange conformation hearing that was cut short and did not take a vote on the 3 new commissioners.  We don't know why, it is strange, and no recourse exists save 1

Elect new officials that really matter.  Now I don't know all of the folks on the Senate Natural resources committee but the Chair Kevin Van De Wege has been crowned the HSUS  state senator of the year more than once.  He controls the committee, hurts Sportsmen as do some others.  While many on here think we need a new governor other things can be done. Contribute to the opposing of those that are not pro sportmen. Call and talk to your local senator and rep and let them know you expect a solution regarding the Lack of accountability  in the comission appointment and conformation process.


These are a few of the main categories I see for remedin most situations. I belive we have exhausted  all put the political... I belive that we need to either give our time and or $in support of HHC.  I personally shot more money in Ammo than I gave to HHC, I have contacted my political reps. I will be going to their events to press this issue.


I have other thoughts on the issue but I though the organization of the options as I see them may explain my previous statements better. I feel the frustration most of you do. Take that energy and do something productive

[baldopepper]

Guess you could throw in the udea of wildlife committe  being an elected position. Either done legislatively or ,long shot, with a referendum.  Have to be out it was worded so big vote blocks on the Westside wouldn't have control

[Blacktail Sniper]

The antagonists to the hunting community have been busy for years driving the wedge of division amongst us and quite successfully I'll add.  Mentioning that, they are much farther along in their campaign to "conquer" us than I believe many of us realize.

This fight will require new younger fresh blood to pick up the pieces and march forward before its altogether too late.   

I would disagree that the antagonist have been at it longer.  HHC has been in the fight and winning most fights for quite a while. I do believe they could do a far better job telling their story through  modern channels like social media. There is no discounting the work they've done in the past. Washington would be far worse off in without HHC when it comes to hunting.  I do agree some fresh blood may help as long as they can get beyond the echo chambers.  The other obstacles are divided hunt vs fish folks. Some of the recs have partnered with preservationist groups to further their agenda.  Time will tell the consequences of these actions but I don't feel good about the overall benefits to consumtive users as a whole.

Not sure who youd be disagreeing with as I didnt say "have been at it longer".   I think we are looking at two different approaches here as HHC effort is exemplary for sure but where/how does it trickle down to the fights at ground zero, ie. with the commissioners, biologists, and wdfw in general ?  We do not seem to be able to hold the commissioners or any part of wdfw accountable to their very own mission statement.  They follow through with their preconceived ideals and agendas using the general hunting public as merely tools to satisfy protocols.

We have been screaming for changes in northeast Washington for several years and continue to get the same bs lines of misinformation and out right dismissal (blow off) from top to bottom.  Ground zero needs more attention from eager fighters.

Thank you HHC for the very important fight at the top.

You are right in what you say.  HHC is a political organization, we are the only hunting-rights organization with a full-time lobbyist in Olympia, we fight in the legislative halls.  There Commission is a whole different baileywick.  Washingtonians for Wildlife Conservation is our sister organization and it is the grassroots, outreach, and advocacy organization.  Believe it or not, the hunters slaughtered the animal-rights people in getting messages to the Commission.  That was in story after story in Northwest Sportsman.  Even ultra anti-hunting Commission Barbara Baker admitted that meeting after meeting.  Normally we get our butts kicked.  WWC used a new tool inconject with Howl for Wildlife to get thousands of messages to the Commission.  We had more people testify too.  The hunting community is just plained pissed off, but the numbers now just aren't there.  The Governor illegally stacked the Commission against us in violation of RCW 77.04.040.  One thing Tbar is right about, HHC is horrible about is getting its message out on what has accomplished, on what it is, and what it does.  He is spot on.

If this particular statement is correct and an actual violation, is any group legally challenging this point? 

If not, why? 

Seems like a nice, slow one over the plate to swing for the fences at...

[Special T]

Blacktail Sniper and others. Where do you think we can get the most bang for the buck?

Looks like I'm not the only one that thinks our only option is to get political.

https://nwsportsmanmag.com/washington-hunters-urged-to-get-involved-in-state-politics/

[buckfvr]

Guess you could throw in the udea of wildlife committe  being an elected position. Either done legislatively or ,long shot, with a referendum.  Have to be out it was worded so big vote blocks on the Westside wouldn't have control

Vote by region, allow for more reliable regional input.

[Blacktail Sniper]

Blackmail Sniper and others. Where do you think we can get the most bang for the buck?

Looks like I'm not the only one that thinks our only option is to get political.

https://nwsportsmanmag.com/washington-hunters-urged-to-get-involved-in-state-politics/

Hunter4Life is who made the statement that Inslee's action was in a direct violation of the R.C.W.'s, therefore, giving Hunter4Life the benefit of that being an accurate and true statement regarding Inslee's action being a violation of state law. 

Also, based on his post, it sounds like he is very well versed with HHC and their work.

So, with that in mind, I would think Hunter4Life and HHC associates would be the ones to take up the legal challenge since they are already in the arena and sound to be very well versed in the workings of the system. 

So it makes sense to me since they are in position and have the knowledge of and experience with navigating the legal and legislative process, it seems logical that they make the legal challenges based on a violation of state law by the Governor, while using his official capacity to do so.

It would be interesting to know the reasoning behind why they have not as of yet challenged the Governor's violation of state law as cited by Hunter4Life or if they ever plan to take action on this.

And if not planning to challenge a violation of state law by the Governor, why?