STOP KILLING THE BABY MAKERS

[huntnfmly]

Anybody that shoots a doe in the state of Washington is not a Sportsman in my point of view. Plain and Simple.

You’re joking right?

[KFhunter]

Anybody that shoots a doe in the state of Washington is not a Sportsman in my point of view. Plain and Simple.

You’re joking right?

[idahohuntr]

pretty easy cut/dry question

As stated earlier.  Some of the harvest is viewed through a social tolerance lens and is considered compensatory.

Some folks just dont get it.  They'd rather fight amongst themselves than address root causes.  Spelled out plain as day in every WDFW management plan...ag/ungulate conflict = kill antlerless deer and elk.  To those who think they solve the problem by burning the tag...news flash...WDFW just ups tag numbers or issues depredation permits directly to landowners if they don't see the antlerless harvest they would like. 

You want more deer and elk - resolve the social tolerance issue.  Improve habitat and restore lost or damaged winter range.  Reduce predators.  Brow beating guys who legally harvest does...not going to move the needle one inch.

[boneaddict]

JReb.   If you’d let some of the red clear from your eyes, you’d possibly see I’m not picking on those people.  I am trying to save what we have left. So those people might have a chance for a future.    You may think I’m a complete loser, but I really do know a thing or two about deer and what is going on out there.  My tactics may not have been sound, as I am a biologist, not a poli sci major.  I wanted a discussion, an enlightenment of a possible issue. 
Many great points were made in this thread on both sides.   
If we don’t do something there will be nothing left.  My life is steeped with hunting tradition.  Now I am basically done.   I’m not a troll or ogre.  Seeing Bobcats daughter with her doe, their success together, I have nothing but happiness for them.   I dropped a bomb.  The catalyst fired a debate.  I did not intend on so many casualties.  I hope maybe people’s eyes were opened even if they are set in their beliefs or ways.  Hopefully you took the time to read this and not just assume I’m flapping my lips or gums or whatever. 

As for the comment you might be referring to in the other thread, I did remove it.  I shouldn’t have said it.  I shouldn’t have put the mods in a position to deal with it.  Tbar was gracious enough to report it.  When I saw the report I removed it instantly.  I knew I had done wrong.  I feel those people are out to take hunting away from us.  Maybe that’s what you thought I was doing and why you said some of the things you did.   Who knows. 

[browney5er]

Anybody that shoots a doe in the state of Washington is not a Sportsman in my point of view. Plain and Simple.

You’re joking right?

Not even a little bit. The killing of does is for deer herds that are over populated. Show me one deer herd in the state of Washington that qualifies.

[KFhunter]

Spelled out plain as day in every WDFW management plan..ungulate conflict = kill wolves. 

 

[Timberstalker]

Anybody that shoots a doe in the state of Washington is not a Sportsman in my point of view. Plain and Simple.

You’re joking right?

Not even a little bit. The killing of does is for deer herds that are over populated. Show me one deer herd in the state of Washington that qualifies.

Hanford.

[kirkl]

Anybody that shoots a doe in the state of Washington is not a Sportsman in my point of view. Plain and Simple.

You’re joking right?

Not even a little bit. The killing of does is for deer herds that are over populated. Show me one deer herd in the state of Washington that qualifies.

Hanford.

Lol, how bout give a public land spot that everyone can hunt.

[KFhunter]

Ya'll can quibble over the particulars, but I think the point is valid that *most* of the state is in bad shape, some worse than other areas

[browney5er]

I honestly can’t believe that this is even a topic for discussion between so-called sportsmen in this state. PATHETIC.

[full choke]

I honestly can’t believe that this is even a topic for discussion between so-called sportsmen in this state. PATHETIC.

Dude, literally half this forum thinks "ghost camps" are ok, an old man who bought a permit and killed a branch antlered bull (400+ ") in a spike only unit was cool, and a kid making grrr-ing noise in a bush was fair game to shoot in the dark.

Don't look to this site as a beacon of good judgement...

[Timberstalker]

Anybody that shoots a doe in the state of Washington is not a Sportsman in my point of view. Plain and Simple.

You’re joking right?

Not even a little bit. The killing of does is for deer herds that are over populated. Show me one deer herd in the state of Washington that qualifies.

Hanford.

Lol, how bout give a public land spot that everyone can hunt.

That’s not possible, currently.

[browney5er]

I honestly can’t believe that this is even a topic for discussion between so-called sportsmen in this state. PATHETIC.

Dude, literally half this forum thinks "ghost camps" are ok, an old man who bought a permit and killed a branch antlered bull (400+ ") in a spike only unit was cool, and a kid making grrr-ing noise in a bush was fair game to shoot in the dark.

Don't look to this site as a beacon of good judgement...


That’s been obvious to me for quite some time. Just blows me away what people that call themselves Sportsman are willing to say out loud.

[jrebel]

JReb.   If you’d let some of the red clear from your eyes, you’d possibly see I’m not picking on those people.  I am trying to save what we have left. So those people might have a chance for a future.    You may think I’m a complete loser, but I really do know a thing or two about deer and what is going on out there.  My tactics may not have been sound, as I am a biologist, not a poli sci major.  I wanted a discussion, an enlightenment of a possible issue. 
Many great points were made in this thread on both sides.   
If we don’t do something there will be nothing left.  My life is steeped with hunting tradition.  Now I am basically done.   I’m not a troll or ogre.  Seeing Bobcats daughter with her doe, their success together, I have nothing but happiness for them.   I dropped a bomb.  The catalyst fired a debate.  I did not intend on so many casualties.  I hope maybe people’s eyes were opened even if they are set in their beliefs or ways.  Hopefully you took the time to read this and not just assume I’m flapping my lips or gums or whatever. 

As for the comment you might be referring to in the other thread, I did remove it.  I shouldn’t have said it.  I shouldn’t have put the mods in a position to deal with it.  Tbar was gracious enough to report it.  When I saw the report I removed it instantly.  I knew I had done wrong.  I feel those people are out to take hunting away from us.  Maybe that’s what you thought I was doing and why you said some of the things you did.   Who knows.

First....thank you

Second.....

Never questioned your knowledge on deer....did / do question your approach on saving our deer herds.  Also question your approach to todays thread.  It did generate 15 pages in less than 24 hours so I guess you can say it generated good discussion, though very polarizing and divisive to hunters. 

Believe it or not.....we share the same sentiment that our deer herds are in decline and something needs to be done.  We likely would share a lot of the same thoughts on how this can be achieved.  We differ in the sense that stopping all doe / cow harvest an answer.   I believe it is equally important to maintain hunting opportunity and youth recruitment.  I believe doe harvest, provide a small piece of this puzzle.  I also believe the doe harvest numbers are so low that they are negligible in the whole scheme of things......we likely will agree to disagree on this point.  It also stuck a nerve to hear members were getting tags for the sole reason of destroying them....thus taking opportunity away from others who don't share their same opinions.

I am not a biologist....but I do have a degree and am not dumb.  I have hunted (actively with a weapon) since I was 8.  Hunting has and continues to be one of my biggest passions.  I don't brag about what I do....so only the people close to me understand how much hunting means to me.  I do my part by chasing bears, managing my piece of earth for quality and advocating for healthier herds.....thus me not killing a big game animal (except bear) in many years.  I hunt hard for my kids and want to pass on the tradition.  I help new hunters kill bears in areas that have an abundance.  Well, enough about me....hope that helps you understand where I'm coming from. 

Anyhow.....carry on.  I wish you the best on your endeavors and hope there are no hard feeling. 

[full choke]

I honestly can’t believe that this is even a topic for discussion between so-called sportsmen in this state. PATHETIC.

Dude, literally half this forum thinks "ghost camps" are ok, an old man who bought a permit and killed a branch antlered bull (400+ ") in a spike only unit was cool, and a kid making grrr-ing noise in a bush was fair game to shoot in the dark.

Don't look to this site as a beacon of good judgement...


That’s been obvious to me for quite some time. Just blows me away what people that call themselves Sportsman are willing to say out loud.

For the record- I am not opposed to killing does if the biology says it is ok.