Wolves eating all our deer

[wolfbait]

I still want to see a picture of a wolf in your backyard.

One of these days, I will be gitin some pics. I got a plan, I talk to some people yestrday an they said they hear em howlin at night, they live up in the buttermilk country.

[wolfbait]

When wolves begin to patiently observe humans, it signals that they are targetting humans as prey.  Such wolves may be short of natural prey, or they may be already habituated to humans.Patient observation means that wolves have begun to familiarize themselves with humans and that an attack is liekly to follow.  The same pattern has been seen with urban coyotes.  In any case these animals need to be taken out.  In BC hunters can harvest these wolves and it provides a safety valve. Healthy free living wolvesare virtually unhuntable
The animls most likely killed by hunters aredisadvantaged by age, condition or rejection of the pack. Consequently even liberal hunting laws need not threatenwolf abundance.


Thats what I have been saying!

This is already happening here in the Methow Valley, There have been wolves watching peoples houses, wolves going through yards. Last winter was the most we have seen that, The reasoning behind this is lack of deer. In Idaho they are having the same problems we are, their's are just a liitle worcer. Makes some of us cring when we see some little kid playing out in the yard with their dog. I think alot of people beleive that horsesh-t that these wolves are shy and there is very little threat to human safty.  Personally I think the people who are lying to the public about how many wolves we really do have in the Valley should be held acountable.

[WDFW-SUX]

here's somthing for WB

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/03/26/60minutes/main4894945.shtml

[boneaddict]

I think they should have a picnic lunch at 2nd mile Sawmill. LOL 

[cabin308]

In Winthrop last year during rifle deer season we were sitting in the house and it must have been around 10pm or so, when all of a sudden the dogs (were inside) went crazy barking.  My buddy looked out a window and said there's two huge dogs running between the house and garage.  I missed seeing them, and after describing and thinking it through what he saw he swears they were wolves.  He said they were bigger than his 80 pound black lab.  The house is on, of all places, Wolf Creek road.  We are dubious about how the hunting will be this year.

[wolfbait]

In Winthrop last year during rifle deer season we were sitting in the house and it must have been around 10pm or so, when all of a sudden the dogs (were inside) went crazy barking.  My buddy looked out a window and said there's two huge dogs running between the house and garage.  I missed seeing them, and after describing and thinking it through what he saw he swears they were wolves.  He said they were bigger than his 80 pound black lab.  The house is on, of all places, Wolf Creek road.  We are dubious about how the hunting will be this year.

Yep I'd bet my mules, what you saw was wolves. anytime you have wolves close by, your dogs will go ape-sh-t. About 2 am this mornin our dogs went nuts, so I spent most of last night down at the corrals with the truck and the gunz. The stock was all looking up the hill behind the barn, I never saw anything. But we know when it's wolves just from the way that the dogs act. As far as hunting goes, I would say that the predator hunting will be dam good, but I would for sure look for somewhere else to hunt if you are seriouse about getting any deer here in the valley and surounding area. I have never seen such a lack of deer. I was talking to a friend of mine, and he said there is a guy that lives on the Twisp-Carlton road who has been losing chickens to some wolves. Now you know its gittin bad when the wolves are after the chickens.

[wolfbait]

here's somthing for WB

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/03/26/60minutes/main4894945.shtml

 

Hold on there-I like shootin what I wants dead! Poison is a hard way to die, but if you look at the way these wolves kill it is kind of fitin for em. Nope the ones that should be sent to the chair are the jerks that brought these wolves down here in the first place. And the ones who are lying about how many and where. I think in the end the wolves are goin to git em, got any extra rope?

[wolfbait]

DRAFT WOLF CONSERVATION

AND MANAGEMENT PLAN

FOR WASHINGTON



The effects that wolves have on elk, deer, and other ungulate populations and hunter harvest are difficult to predict. Observations from neighboring states suggest that wolves could have some localized impacts on ungulate abundance in Washington, but relatively little impact on a statewide level. Improved habitat management, changes in harvest strategies, and greater prevention of illegal hunting are recommended as measures for maintaining healthy ungulate populations that will support both wolves and desired levels of hunter harvest.

No Hunting, No Hunting, No Hunting


Wild wolves pose very little threat to human safety. This plan recommends that information and training about the low risk of wolf attacks and how to prevent and react to wolf attacks be provided to hunters, trappers, rural landowners, outdoor recreationists, outfitters and guides, forest workers and contractors, and others who might encounter wolves. Dog owners need to be educated on ways to reduce interactions between dogs and wolves. The public also should be made aware of the risks posed by wolf-dog hybrids and pet wolves.

It was low risk until the idiots brought the Canadian gray wolves into the lower 48. A wolf that does not belong down here.

Wolves are habitat generalists, thus restrictions on human development and other land use practices are not expected to be needed to recover wolves in Washington. Implementation of a public information and education program is a high priority for aiding reestablishment of the species.

The first of many changes. Range cattle must now be moved, for wolf recovery, which at this point is a joke as we probably have as many wolves as Idaho does. 

This plan provides an analysis of the potential economic impacts that wolves could have in the state. At populations of 50 and 100 wolves, which roughly correspond with the upper levels of abundance during the state endangered and threatened phases, the vast majority of livestock producers will probably experience few if any annual costs, whereas a few individual producers could be more affected. As wolf populations become larger and more widely distributed, financial impacts are likely to accrue to more producers. Similarly, populations of 50 and 100 wolves should have few negative effects on big game hunting. Larger populations are expected to have somewhat greater impacts on game abundance and hunting opportunity, but such impacts become increasingly difficult to predict. Washington could conceivably develop a sizable wolf-related tourist industry, depending on where wolves reestablish, at what numbers, and their detectability. Wolf recolonization is anticipated to have minimal impact on the state’s forest products industry.

First off we are already past the 100 wolf count as they well know. We are already at the point of no deer. And now this is just the begining of the wolf recovery. This was written for the people who have no idea what has really been going on with the wolves here in the valley. most people don't know that these wolves started being released in the Methow Valley in the 90's. The only thing that I get out of these statments is that the locals really don't count, it is what they pitch to the people that know nothing, that counts.

[WDFW-SUX]

One thing thats for sure is its going to be 10 years before the first wolf is legally killed in this state.

[jackelope]

maybe if they focus on killing all the chickens, they'll leave the deer alone.
 

[wolfbait]

One thing thats for sure is its going to be 10 years before the first wolf is legally killed in this state.

I think that really depends on how one see's the law. First off the USFW brought these wolves into the lower 48 illegally. I will leave it right there!

[wolfbait]

maybe if they focus on killing all the chickens, they'll leave the deer alone.
 

What deer, come n check it out.

[wolfbait]

Groups suing government over removal of Great Lakes gray wolves from endangered species list
By JOHN FLESHER , Associated Press

Last update: June 15, 2009 - 5:10 PM
 TRAVERSE CITY, Mich. - Environmental groups are suing the federal government over its decision to remove gray wolves in the upper Great Lakes region from the endangered species list.
The Center for Biological Diversity and four other groups filed their suit Monday in federal court in Washington.

They contend the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service acted too hastily last month when it removed federal protections from the estimated 4,000 wolves in Michigan, Minnesota and Wisconsin.

The wildlife agency says the wolves have recovered from the brink of extinction and are capable of surviving under state management.

Opponents also sued earlier this month over the government's removal of wolves in the northern Rockies from the endangered list.
http://www.startribune.com/nation/48078232.html



NRDC slams Idaho, Montana wolf plans
by Cat Urbigkit, Pinedale Online!
June 1, 2009
The Billings Gazette includes a guest opinion column by Louisa Willcox of the Northern Rockies Defense Council. In the opinion piece, Willcox outlines the problems her organization sees with wolf management plans adopted in Idaho and Montana, which were approved by the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service. NRDC plans to challenge the plans, which provided the basis for wolf delisting in those states, in federal court.

Willcox claims that federal plans for recovery don't provide for enough wolves in the region, taking issue with Idaho's plan for a fall wolf hunting season. In addition, Willcox claims that the "Shoot, shovel and shut up" culture is alive and well.
http://www.pinedaleonline.com/news/2009/06/NRDCslamsIdahoMontan.htm

As you can see, it really does not matter how many wolves we have, the fight to delist will be unending. This is a perfect example of where the USA is going becuz of the environmentalist and the ESA. People who have to deal with these wolves on a day/night program had better git use to shooting fast and strait. I think in the end most of us will own at least one of those small backhoes. We will be champion hole diggers

The thing that alot of people don't quite understand yet is, these wolves will affect everyone, that enjoys the outdoor life. Bit by bit, through these wolves they will take all of our rights away.

[WDFW-SUX]

If washington is forced to have 4k wolves its all over but the 

[Birdguy]

WOW. It has taken days to read this entire thread (sucks having a job and life sometimes ) and I would like to thank ALL who participated. I am not anti-wolf but I guess I am pro deer, elk, moose, and farmer/rancher . Everyone should be able to see there will be no short end to this discussion or issue. I am saddened by the fact that our State can not manage ANYTHING (traffic, drugs, taxes, ect.) yet my recreational future is in their hands. It does not matter if I hunt, fish, hike, camp, bike ride, or just go sight seeing and take a few pictures like some others on this sight, it is all controlled by someone else. Our State Game Dept. could not even stick to a simple turkey management plan there is no way it can handle wolves. Thus the courts and the environmentalists will allow us all to watch as what was left of our rural life goes away.

This thread is like a tragic accident... I did not really want to read it and see where I believe we are headed but the outdoorsman in me could not look away either . Thanks again to all who helped fill the last several lunch hours and late evenings.