Annual Washington wolf population report shows growth in wolf packs and breeding

[idaho guy]

The deck is stacked against sportsmen. I believe those in the department that want to help us are trapped by employees that LOVE carnivores and do everything in their power to protect them. I think the only solution resides outside of working with the state on this issue. I believe the only way out of this problem and to punch back at anti hunters is to start and support a Foundation for Wildlife Management chapter for the Colville Tribe. https://f4wm.org/  Are we willing to raise money to reimburse tribal trappers? To hold education classes? Find donations, bid on them, and attend banquets?

The wolf plan is broken and I don't believe that the legislature will fix this problem. Following through on this would wreck the possibility of fulfilling the wolf plan to restoration... But considering that Many of us do not believe the anti hunters are dealing in good faith, does it matter?

I’m not arguing, I’m just asking. How can the Colville tribe’s ability to legally kill wolves help the entire state? Outside of the Colville rez and the north half, do they have any legal hunting jurisdiction anywhere else in Washington state?


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I have the same question, can the Tribes legally do this?

 

Nez perce tribe hunts in the blues yearly. That’s WAY off the reservation
Probably have to be multiple tribes

[Special T]

The deck is stacked against sportsmen. I believe those in the department that want to help us are trapped by employees that LOVE carnivores and do everything in their power to protect them. I think the only solution resides outside of working with the state on this issue. I believe the only way out of this problem and to punch back at anti hunters is to start and support a Foundation for Wildlife Management chapter for the Colville Tribe. https://f4wm.org/  Are we willing to raise money to reimburse tribal trappers? To hold education classes? Find donations, bid on them, and attend banquets?

The wolf plan is broken and I don't believe that the legislature will fix this problem. Following through on this would wreck the possibility of fulfilling the wolf plan to restoration... But considering that Many of us do not believe the anti hunters are dealing in good faith, does it matter?

I’m not arguing, I’m just asking. How can the Colville tribe’s ability to legally kill wolves help the entire state? Outside of the Colville rez and the north half, do they have any legal hunting jurisdiction anywhere else in Washington state?


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I have the same question, can the Tribes legally do this?

Yes they can. Wolves are federally delisted on the "North Half" or their ceded hunting grounds. They are not subject to Washington laws in that area. now they couldn't do that on Private property Im assuming because their hunting rights are only on public grounds. They can use any methods that are federally legal, and since the feds dont manage game to the same extent as states they have lots of leeway. They can also us footholds, snares, hunt with hounds ect, which we cannot.


I'm not certain but the Nez Pierce and the Confederated Umatilla tribes could possible do this in the blues If that is also in the federal delisted area. It may be considered part of the Rockies but I'm unsure where exactly the line down that direction is.  I'm willing to be corrected, but I've been told by many folks that those 2 tribes are not very big on predator control.

Other tribes MAY be able to do something similar but I don't happen to know much about the other tribes hunting rights on that side of the state. The Spokane's smoke them on the Rez, and I've been able to talk to a couple that have shot them. If the Feds ever delist in the Cascades the Yakimas could wreck havoc in a huge swath of country. They could trap and hound hunt cougars in a huge are if they had the incentive to do so. Certain Tribes have culled cougars in ceded hunting areas with hounds to great effect, and to the benefit of all sportsmen.

I believe sportsmen need to have a Come To Jesus meeting regarding our frustration with some tribes/members. We can support them despite our strong dislike for some of what they do, OR we can fight really hard and be organized. Its going to take more work than we have been doing either way. 

[highcountry_hunter]

The deck is stacked against sportsmen. I believe those in the department that want to help us are trapped by employees that LOVE carnivores and do everything in their power to protect them. I think the only solution resides outside of working with the state on this issue. I believe the only way out of this problem and to punch back at anti hunters is to start and support a Foundation for Wildlife Management chapter for the Colville Tribe. https://f4wm.org/  Are we willing to raise money to reimburse tribal trappers? To hold education classes? Find donations, bid on them, and attend banquets?

The wolf plan is broken and I don't believe that the legislature will fix this problem. Following through on this would wreck the possibility of fulfilling the wolf plan to restoration... But considering that Many of us do not believe the anti hunters are dealing in good faith, does it matter?

I’m not arguing, I’m just asking. How can the Colville tribe’s ability to legally kill wolves help the entire state? Outside of the Colville rez and the north half, do they have any legal hunting jurisdiction anywhere else in Washington state?


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I have the same question, can the Tribes legally do this?

Yes they can. Wolves are federally delisted on the "North Half" or their ceded hunting grounds. They are not subject to Washington laws in that area. now they couldn't do that on Private property Im assuming because their hunting rights are only on public grounds. They can use any methods that are federally legal, and since the feds dont manage game to the same extent as states they have lots of leeway. They can also us footholds, snares, hunt with hounds ect, which we cannot.


I'm not certain but the Nez Pierce and the Confederated Umatilla tribes could possible do this in the blues If that is also in the federal delisted area. It may be considered part of the Rockies but I'm unsure where exactly the line down that direction is.  I'm willing to be corrected, but I've been told by many folks that those 2 tribes are not very big on predator control.

Other tribes MAY be able to do something similar but I don't happen to know much about the other tribes hunting rights on that side of the state. The Spokane's smoke them on the Rez, and I've been able to talk to a couple that have shot them. If the Feds ever delist in the Cascades the Yakimas could wreck havoc in a huge swath of country. They could trap and hound hunt cougars in a huge are if they had the incentive to do so. Certain Tribes have culled cougars in ceded hunting areas with hounds to great effect, and to the benefit of all sportsmen.

I believe sportsmen need to have a Come To Jesus meeting regarding our frustration with some tribes/members. We can support them despite our strong dislike for some of what they do, OR we can fight really hard and be organized. Its going to take more work than we have been doing either way. 

I see…
Well, I’m all for it. I’m unfamiliar with the other tribes outside of the Colville and Spokane, but I feel like there would definitely need to be an incentive for them aside from helping our game numbers to get them to help us on non-tribal land.
I’ve got a few buddies that run hounds for lions on the Colville rez (they make damn good money off the hides too). I asked them to come to the north half and help thin out some of our lions and their response was basically “Why would we drive all the way up there when we knock the hell out of them 10 miles from our back door.”
The ability of being able to trap them would be a huge advantage, however I’m not aware of many tribal members who are actively attempting to trap them on the reservation. Might be tough to get anyone to consistently drive from Nespelum/Keller/Inchelium/Omak to the north half to check traps (however I have no idea their trapping regulations and how often they are required to check traps)
Regardless, I think this idea could help. Hell, anything at this point could help. I’m not familiar enough with other tribes but from what I see on a map we might have some huge areas unaccounted for. All of Stevens county north and east of the Spokane rez. Not sure about from Omak west towards the Methow?
Kalispell tribe might be able to assist in Pend Orielle county. That thick country would really benefit from trapping over hunting.
I dunno…just some thoughts.


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[Special T]

If I could hunt them 10 miles from my house, Wouldn't drive far either. Ive been told that predator hunting is NOT predominate in many tribes culture. Additionally the Rez is a sink. you can kill all the cats you want and they will just fill in from the boundaries due to high populations. They might drive a ways north is they had a financial incentive.

[hunter399]

I wouldn't expect to much help from natives.
Only thing they owe us is the middle finger.

Those wolf numbers don't sound right to me.
I can't remember what Idaho wolf growth rate was.
Our biologists compare ungulate numbers with Idaho all the time. But wolves .....no...no....no...Washington can't compare wolf numbers or wolf growth with Idaho.

We will never see a wolf tag in this state.
Also if you read enough about wolves on all these wildlife conservation places. They just paint a picture of eastern Washington hunters being a bunch of poachers. That's why our wolf population isn't growing.
So it really depends on who you ask.

[wolfbait]

I wouldn't expect to much help from natives.
Only thing they owe us is the middle finger.

Those wolf numbers don't sound right to me.
I can't remember what Idaho wolf growth rate was.
Our biologists compare ungulate numbers with Idaho all the time. But wolves .....no...no....no...Washington can't compare wolf numbers or wolf growth with Idaho.

We will never see a wolf tag in this state.
Also if you read enough about wolves on all these wildlife conservation places. They just paint a picture of eastern Washington hunters being a bunch of poachers. That's why our wolf population isn't growing.
So it really depends on who you ask.

Under oath, Mech said wolf populations double in size each year> Another BS lie that has followed the wolf introduction is the 35% increase each year, and it seems every state has latched on to that lie which Low count wolf increases.

[pianoman9701]

I wouldn't expect to much help from natives.
Only thing they owe us is the middle finger.

Those wolf numbers don't sound right to me.
I can't remember what Idaho wolf growth rate was.
Our biologists compare ungulate numbers with Idaho all the time. But wolves .....no...no....no...Washington can't compare wolf numbers or wolf growth with Idaho.

We will never see a wolf tag in this state.
Also if you read enough about wolves on all these wildlife conservation places. They just paint a picture of eastern Washington hunters being a bunch of poachers. That's why our wolf population isn't growing.
So it really depends on who you ask.

They're killing more wolves than the DFW. 

[hunter399]

I wouldn't expect to much help from natives.
Only thing they owe us is the middle finger.

Those wolf numbers don't sound right to me.
I can't remember what Idaho wolf growth rate was.
Our biologists compare ungulate numbers with Idaho all the time. But wolves .....no...no....no...Washington can't compare wolf numbers or wolf growth with Idaho.

We will never see a wolf tag in this state.
Also if you read enough about wolves on all these wildlife conservation places. They just paint a picture of eastern Washington hunters being a bunch of poachers. That's why our wolf population isn't growing.
So it really depends on who you ask.

They're killing more wolves than the DFW. 

Yup.
They will manage there lands very well.
All the while ,we will rely on WDFW to manage our lands.
So we know how that will go.

I'm not exactly sure how the legal in and out is.
Maybe a warden can chime in.
I'm not exactly sure they can do any wolf management or wolf hunting that isn't on the reservation.
Maybe they can,but at the same time it may be frowned upon by tribal members. Which makes it a no no.