Insight to the no predator control WDFW Commissioners

[WWC]

Sportsmen have a chance to look into the motives of several of the WDFW commissioners by reading this article. Included is a small clip.

A Philosophical Critique of the North American Model of Wildlife Conservation
Featured image: Bighorn sheep © John Miles

By Kirk Robinson Excerpt
"Now for a proposal. Because we value a pluralistic society with some semblance of democracy and equal representation, it surely behooves us all to seek ways of accommodating each other even when we disagree. What implications does this have for formulating and discharging wildlife management and conservation policy? Here’s a suggestion that I think has considerable merit: Trophy hunting, understood as hunting where typically the procurement of a trophy or any kind of personal satisfaction is the chief purpose, must be regarded as illegitimate.

This would eliminate general hunts for large carnivores and retain hunting of species where the primary goal is food procurement. It would also permit some important secondary purposes of hunting, such as achieving intimate contact with nature and obtaining a memento of the experience. Further, it would provide wildlife management and governance a more ethical unifying rational basis for wildlife management policy. Not to be overlooked, it would also accord better with NAM principle #1 by better discharging the trust to preserve ecological processes. It would have the benefit of making the concept of “legitimate purpose” at the core of tenet #4 more principled and coherent. Most important, this change would have the benefit of helping maintain, or in some cases restoring, healthy functioning of ecosystems, thus better serving an appropriately reformulated tenet #6."

https://rewilding.org/a-philosophical-critique-of-the-north-american-model-of-wildlife-conservation/

[pianoman9701]

The extreme ignorance of conservation this man possesses is astounding, and this is true of our 5 activists on the Commission...and our governor, King Insley.

[MeepDog]

They just can't get it into their heads that we eat the bears and cougars.  we should put a salvage requirement on them that would fold their whole argument.

[pianoman9701]

In addition hunting "trophy" ungulates still requires the fullest use of the animal AND helps keep the gene pool varied, which is hugely important.

[hunter399]

Everybody wants to "end" trophy hunting.
But almost the whole state is managed for meat bucks anyway.

[Special T]

To me it sounds like they are trying to shift the term Trophy Hunting into predator hunting. Blood Origins had an interesting interview that kind of parallels this point. Only harvesting what you can eat. Unfortunately Robbie did not press him very hard on Johns lack of wanting to hunt predators. Most of us know that Cats are fine table fare and that bears on berries are wonderful to eat. This article AND the interview lead some one to believe that has not eaten either that its a "Trophy hunt" This is false but they are using that label to paint a picture that the hunt is just for a rug, skull or pair of horns. I don't remember the exact details but John either work for, or with DoW on a series of projects. They even joke about it in the beginning of the interview. Robbie makes a statement about Values and maximum carry capacity vs letting nature take its course.

John Trap episode 387 on the wolf debate
https://bloodorigins.org/podcasts-partners/

[Slamadoo]

"Trophy" is such a loaded word. It's a nonsense argument by anti-hunters. Semantics.

A doe could be a "trophy" to someone. It's also possible to hunt for multiple reasons, all at once. The bear, elk, and deer I have killed are all trophies to me. I also killed them to eat them and to feed them to my family and friends.

[buckfvr]

They will never change their minds OR their agenda.  Everything they say and do is either directly or indirectly in pursuit of their agenda.

Rather than responding directly to them I would think there would be more traction gained by responding to someone that actually has some stroke over them, whoever that is.

[timberfaller]

Having spent years in the PNW Water War,  the last thing and the ONE thing government agency's REFUSE to listen to or agree with is "predator control"!   IT doesn't fit their "agenda's"!!   The Salmon Listing exposed them ALL over this issue!   So did the Spotted Owl and HOW some "scientist/biologist" wanted to deal with them.  Hint: kill off the Barred Owl   

Real life, doesn't enter their minds in any form what so ever!!!  But hey, their educated more then any others!!

[mcrawfordaf]

Makes you wonder who the "Guest Presenter" will be on the NA Model of Wildlife Conservation presentation...

[WWC]

The presenter that is scheduled is Dr John Organ from Boone and Crocket one of the  co writers of the North American Model of Conservation.

[ghosthunter]

 or any kind of personal satisfaction


Anyone who doesn’t get personal satisfaction from hunting , raise your hand.


 

[mcrawfordaf]

The presenter that is scheduled is Dr John Organ from Boone and Crocket one of the  co writers of the North American Model of Conservation.

Well thats a pleasant surprise!

This one from 2018 by the same author, where they tell you exactly how they intend on pushing hunters out of the conversation: https://rewilding.org/wildlife-governance-reform-where-to-begin/ 

"-Join or form a coalition in your state to implement wildlife governance reform;
-Run for public office;
-Advocate for legal reforms that affirm your state’s public trust responsibility to all wildlife for all citizens;
-Attend meetings of your state Wildlife (Game) Commission and insist that their decisions embrace the views of all interest groups and are based on sound science – not political pressure from special interests;
-Urge your Governor to appoint qualified experts to the Wildlife Commission."

[pianoman9701]

Having spent years in the PNW Water War,  the last thing and the ONE thing government agency's REFUSE to listen to or agree with is "predator control"!   IT doesn't fit their "agenda's"!!   The Salmon Listing exposed them ALL over this issue!   So did the Spotted Owl and HOW some "scientist/biologist" wanted to deal with them.  Hint: kill off the Barred Owl   

Real life, doesn't enter their minds in any form what so ever!!!  But hey, their educated more then any others!!

Well, there's the boots on the ground, the administration of the WDFW, the Wildlife Commission, the USFWS, and the Governor. I believe strongly that the bios on the ground and the hunting/wildlife side of the administration would like to increase predator hunting, and to have that include wolf management. They spend far too much of their resources now on having to keep controlling wolves by themselves. However, the governor's pockets are overflowing with the money from special interests of all types, including animal rights activists, and the USFWS has been taken over by the same. It is by his hand that the administration and bios of the WDFW have been hamstrung by the Commission and the USFWS with regards to our predator spiral and the proper action that should be taken. If you recall, the USFWS lied to Congress about their wolf program, the population growth of the wolves over time, and actually released wolves, after supposedly inoculating them, which were infected with several diseases including echinococcus granulosus, a particularly insipid zoonosis. You need to target those who are truly responsible and that boils down to Inslee, and his lopsided Wildlife Commission, and the USFWS.

[Fidelk]

"Trophy" is such a loaded word. It's a nonsense argument by anti-hunters. Semantics.

A doe could be a "trophy" to someone. It's also possible to hunt for multiple reasons, all at once. The bear, elk, and deer I have killed are all trophies to me. I also killed them to eat them and to feed them to my family and friends.

My neighbor and I once had a competition as to who could "harvest" a spike blacktail with the smallest set of antlers (?).......one year, he won with some tiny inch, maybe 2 inch horns.

[idaho guy]

"Trophy" is such a loaded word. It's a nonsense argument by anti-hunters. Semantics.

A doe could be a "trophy" to someone. It's also possible to hunt for multiple reasons, all at once. The bear, elk, and deer I have killed are all trophies to me. I also killed them to eat them and to feed them to my family and friends.

 

  How do you define a "trophy"? My first deer was a "trophy doe"(hard to believe it was over 40 years ago) . I haven't shot a doe for 20 plus years and have no desire to shoot one. but that first doe was a trophy to me. The elk and deer I have shot that would actually score as a "trophy" have all been eaten? Talking point they can use for the un- educated to make it sound like hunters killing something to cut off the horns and leave everything else to rot. Definite intention to make it sound like hunters don't eat bears and lions also. Bear and lion is some of my families favorite meat. Its all pure bull crap.