pistols in bow season

[ICEMAN]

First off, it's Nimrod not "Nemrod".

Secondly, the main issue here is about our constitutional right to bear arms, during any thing we want to do, at any time we want to do it, (accept for the very few areas where guns are banned, schools, bars, etc...very few.)  You should be concerned with your right to carry. Being a Bowhunter, and your right to carry are two complete different things. Bowhunting should not cancel your right to carry.

Apparently some guys choose to bow hunt deer and elk, to take advantage of the hunting opportunity for those two species...and still want to shoot a grouse or bear with a handgun. I have no problem with this.

[JBar]

I also don't think it's legal to use your pistol to kill a grouse while bowhunting. I think they would write a ticket. It does state for protection. I really like being able to carry legally for protection during archery & hope people don't screw it up by stretching the grey areas. Use the pistol for the intent granted and hunt grouse another day. my    Mike

Pg. 64, section 11, paragraph 2 under prohibited hunting methods states " It is illegal to hunt gamebirds with a rifle or pistol except forest grouse " This is not a grey area, if I am traveling to my intended area to hunt deer/elk with my bow and come across a grouse I have the right to shoot at that grouse with whichever method I choose. The carry law states you must have a CWP while in the field, I don't consider being in the field until I have exited my vehicle with the intent to hunt. It is then that a choice is made by any reasonable person what they intend to hunt ( grouse , deer or whatever ). I do make every conscious effort NOT to mess up someone Else's hunt with a shot from a shotgun, loud car door or even horning into an area someone is actively hunting but if the opportunity arises and I have a firearm I will try to make good on that opportunity within the law. This is not pushing the envelope or riding on the wrong side of the line IMO. I will be carrying this year while in the field but with the intent the law was meant for but with a larger handgun as I don't believe a .22 is adequate protection.

[BK Dave]

First off, it's Nimrod not "Nemrod".

Secondly, the main issue here is about our constitutional right to bear arms, during any thing we want to do, at any time we want to do it, (accept for the very few areas where guns are banned, schools, bars, etc...very few.)  You should be concerned with your right to carry. Being a Bowhunter, and your right to carry are two complete different things. Bowhunting should not cancel your right to carry.

Apparently some guys choose to bow hunt deer and elk, to take advantage of the hunting opportunity for those two species...and still want to shoot a grouse or bear with a handgun. I have no problem with this.

Yeah your right, 100%
Infact, who the heck am I to buy a archery tag and leave my guns at home! you know... I think I am going to buy a Muzzleloader tag this year, but really bring my 30.06 (constitutional right) and  I'll take a Glock 9mm with me to boot!! heck I should be able to bring a M-16 with me just in case I get attacked by a Pack of Rabid cougars!!!
 

I have the "NEW POST"  how many of you have "Ever" been attacked by a wild Animal?? (and what happend??)

 

[bankwalker]

Well, I'm not all the hot on how the new law is written and think this will be challenged soon.

The new law discriminates against the person that does not have a conealed carry permit. Washington is an 'Open Carry' state. Always has been.   But that's a different argument.

So, if a hunter has a pistol and bow legally in their posession during any Deer/Grouse season, I feel that any judge would have to realise that if you have a pistol trained on a Grouse, at that point in time, you are a Grouse hunter. Not a Deer hunter. It is legal to harvest Grouse with a pistol. (Just shoot the head off!)

-Steve

thats the way i look at it. and the way a friend has done it for years. he is "bear" hunting, and just so happens to have a "deer" tag with him while bear hunting.

[littlebuf]

the way i look at ANY gun issue is the state has absolutely no right to tell me i can or cant carry a gun in any way shape or form. our founding fathers made that very clear with the second amendment and just because generations of scum sucking lawyers turned politicians have perverted and twisted this right to what they see it as today means nothing ( there's my rant). as far as game laws go that's different, carry your side arm be clear on the game regs and don't break them

[furbearer365]

Personally i hate the rule all together.  I think that if someone wants to hunt with a bow, then they should know the danger in going into the woods without a pistol.  I think this law leave it way to open for the corrupt one to the take advantage.  Todays society always wants what is good for themselves and does not look at the big picture.  They have left way to much room for error on this one and should be taken away.

[blindpig]

Go ahead killbilly be a rat if you want, you are not going to be there to save me if a bear charges or a cat pounces.  I carry mine legally with a permit so you can put that down in your book.   

[Kain]

 IMHO Allowing anybody to carry a gun during archery season for "ANY" reason is a bad idea!!
If you want to shoot a grouse, use an old arrow. It's fun and wont cost you a thing if you "hit"your target.

By the way, I have nothing against "Gun hunting"at all, I would like to think that even the Gun hunters would agree with me, on carrying a firearm during bow season isn't fare to them as well.??

First off let me say I have been an archery hunter (for deer and elk) for over 20 year.  That being said I dont know why some archery and muzzleloader hunters think they own the woods during their season.  You have target shooters, small game hunters, varmint hunters, bear hunters and coug...(oh wait they already got that taken away from everyone) that are allowed to hunt with firearms during archery and muzzleloader season.  Probably some upland and waterfowl season too.  Why would you think it would be alright to force people to leave their guns at home just because YOU bought an archery deer tag.  F'n people think the world revolves around them.  The only thing an archery deer tag should limit you on is the weapon you can shoot a deer with.

[JBar]

  and I'm an archery hunter! Well said Kain!

[littlebuf]

sorry kain but you make way to much sense for any legislator in this state to listen to 

[MIKEXRAY]

 Jbar I'm not disputing Pg 64 section 11. If you want to jump out of your truck & shoot a grouse on the way to bowhunting with a shotgun, pistol, whatever , then go ahead. I'm sure if your walking with a bow & blasting other game with your protection weapon , that they will write you a ticket. If a person is unsure of a " grey area " then I would advise to err on the side of common sense. Mike

I also don't think it's legal to use your pistol to kill a grouse while bowhunting. I think they would write a ticket. It does state for protection. I really like being able to carry legally for protection during archery & hope people don't screw it up by stretching the grey areas. Use the pistol for the intent granted and hunt grouse another day. my    Mike

Pg. 64, section 11, paragraph 2 under prohibited hunting methods states " It is illegal to hunt gamebirds with a rifle or pistol except forest grouse " This is not a grey area, if I am traveling to my intended area to hunt deer/elk with my bow and come across a grouse I have the right to shoot at that grouse with whichever method I choose. The carry law states you must have a CWP while in the field, I don't consider being in the field until I have exited my vehicle with the intent to hunt. It is then that a choice is made by any reasonable person what they intend to hunt ( grouse , deer or whatever ). I do make every conscious effort NOT to mess up someone Else's hunt with a shot from a shotgun, loud car door or even horning into an area someone is actively hunting but if the opportunity arises and I have a firearm I will try to make good on that opportunity within the law. This is not pushing the envelope or riding on the wrong side of the line IMO. I will be carrying this year while in the field but with the intent the law was meant for but with a larger handgun as I don't believe a .22 is adequate protection.
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[JBar]

Sorry Mike, wasn't the purpose of my reply to jump your sh*t if that's how you took it, I did see that you said "while bowhunting " and I believe you are probably right and I would not shoot a grouse with my handgun while in the field. I was only pointing out that IMO it was legal to use a handgun to harvest a grouse in the situation I originally posted. Sorry again, no hard feelings I hope.

[MIKEXRAY]

I didn't have any hard feelings at all Jbar , just wanted to make sure we were talking about walking around bowhunting & shooting a pistol off while bow hunting. I wasn't offended or upset at all. Also not my place to tell another person what to do, if someone out there wants to shoot a grouse with their pistol that the state says they can carry for protection then more power to them. Its their decision as an adult. I do feel if your holding a bow and capping off with the 9mm at a grouse or anyother animal, the game warden that saw you is definitely going to have a talk with you & I would think write it up. It's all good. Mike

[KillBilly]

Go ahead killbilly be a rat if you want, you are not going to be there to save me if a bear charges or a cat pounces.  I carry mine legally with a permit so you can put that down in your book.   

Since you are so damned smart... I may just pass your name on as a person of Interest to the game department. Legal or not, you are stating that you are above the law and going to do what you want lawful or not. I am sure they will always treat you with high respect.... 

What a goofball

[gasman]

I believe the porpose of thus thread is to find out if is "LEGAL" or "ILLEGAL"....

If I am bow hunting for deer or elk and see a grouse, coyte, or even a bear (i carry a bear tag with me) and would rather shoot it with my 44mag, could i be ticketed? (it's my choice to make)


Its not about other hunters, wether it is rite or wrong, its about "legality" of it. Easch of us make our own decition, and it is not up to me to judge others, or others to judge me and my choice..........


In all my years i have never had any reason to believe i was personaly threatened by another to need a side arm, but it does not mean it will never happen. I have seen some suspicious things in the woods and heard storys from other where they felt or were threatened.

Pete