New study information on Hatchery salmon

[LDennis24]

https://www.axios.com/local/portland/2024/05/07/hatchery-born-salmon-breeding-patterns

[duckmen1]

Odd the final paragraph says the complications may occur from mixing hatchery and wild fish for broodstock. But the Quinault Reservation results indicate otherwise.

[Irish_hunter93]

Odd the final paragraph says the complications may occur from mixing hatchery and wild fish for broodstock. But the Quinault Reservation results indicate otherwise.

[Irish_hunter93]

Imagine if the whole state ran things like the quinalt.  Pipe dream unfortunately......

[elkrack]

Imagine if the whole state ran things like the quinalt.  Pipe dream unfortunately......

 :yeah:X10

 
This state is ran by fools

[HUNTIN4SIX]

This article is absolute BS.

[timberfaller]

From the Methow water war years and the numerous public meetings.

USFW hatchery manager, "as of 1992, we caught the last known wild Salmon everything else is from the Carson stock".    NOAA,  what Salmon are not caught for the hatchery's use, those will spawn and WE will call them "wild Salmon" from now on.

Salmon is being used the same as the Spotted Owl was and still is!!

Spotted Owl helped destroy the timber industry,  Salmon finished it off and destroyed the "green belts" in  the Methow.

"hello, I am from the government, I am here to help you"  the most dangerous words ever used!

[Sitka_Blacktail]

Spotted Owl helped destroy the timber industry,  Salmon finished it off and destroyed the "green belts" in  the Methow.

I'd say The Reagan administration allowing the export of raw logs did a lot more damage to the timber industry than the spotted owl, which became the scapegoat. Before that, logs had to be manufactured in some way before they could be exported. That's when American mills started going out of business or at least downsizing with hundreds if not thousands of jobs lost. At least that's what happened here in Grays Harbor.

[Alan K]

The timber industry today is limited by log supply. Still have loggers, truckers foresters, etc. whether the logs are manufactured here or not.  If there were a surplus of logs the mills would come back, but nobody is going to invest that sort of capital when the private industrial supply is already gobbled up.  If the USFS would ever cut some of the billions of board feet that grows on an annual basis there would be enough supply to justify it.  Throw in the DNR getting sued over every other timber sale, and ever increasing buffers shrinking the net private acres the industry will continue to see more consolidation and shrink.

[280ackley]

 

Lack of supply is killing the industry.  7 mills have closed in the PNW already THIS year,,, four in OR, one in ID and two in MT.  Yet the USFS is sitting on an ample supply,,, add Oregon's vote on their new HCP on ODF ground (34% reduction of harvest) and the WA DNR getting sued on virtually every timber sale now, the only mills that will survive are the one who own their own land.

[LDennis24]

Not sure if anyone's familiar with it but the Stimson Mill in Plummer Idaho is going to close down soon as well. Not enough large lumber being brought in and too cost prohibitive to truck it in from further away. Lot of jobs lost there and usually once a mill closes down they never re-open.

[Buckhunter24]

Plummers a hew mill looking for small diameter logs, which the USFS is extremely overstocked with. Unfortunately stewardship projects are stalled out in the area. That mill could have thrived off thinning the forest from below in the st Joe, clearwatwer and cda forest. Instead of improved habitat and improved local economy, trees will die via fire and beetle.

[LDennis24]

Ok right, thats what I was told, small lumber not large, I got that backwards, either way they are having supply issues and are shutting down apparently? 

[Sitka_Blacktail]

The timber industry today is limited by log supply. Still have loggers, truckers foresters, etc. whether the logs are manufactured here or not.

I was scaling logs when the export ban was lifted. The Japanese, Chinese and Koreans were buying all the raw logs they could get their hands on. That is where the supply went.  My check scaler made a trip to Japan and told me that Japan had bays full of sunken log rafts they were saving for future use. 100s of millions of board feet.  And they bid up the price of raw logs to where US mills couldn't or wouldn't compete.

[Jake Dogfish]

This article is absolute BS.

Great insight! 

We need fish capable of reproducing in the wild, and we need to plant them in every creek.

[dilleytech]

This article is absolute BS.

Great insight! 

We need fish capable of reproducing in the wild, and we need to plant them in every creek.

Agreed more hatchery fish. Which are great at reproducing naturally.