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elk rumor?????
« on: June 19, 2009, 08:25:22 PM »
i emphasize a rumor, but has anybody heard anything about a big elk shoot to take place this year in the st helens area. appearantly, possibly, the state wants to cut the funding to winter feed them, so rather than let them starve, hand out a bunch of tags. appearantly in discussion at this time.  Anybody?????

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Re: elk rumor?????
« Reply #1 on: June 19, 2009, 08:33:26 PM »
Good one!!! :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:

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Re: elk rumor?????
« Reply #2 on: June 19, 2009, 08:37:46 PM »
If they were going to "hand out a bunch of tags," that would have already been done via the special permit drawing. And actually there are a lot of cow tags, for all the units surrounding Mt St Helens. So actually the "rumor" is true. The part about cutting the funding for winter feeding, that doesn't make sense because there has been no feeding going on anyway.

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Re: elk rumor?????
« Reply #3 on: June 19, 2009, 08:40:25 PM »
Unless they are going to let the MHs do the deed and not let any of the rest of us have any of it.
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Re: elk rumor?????
« Reply #4 on: June 19, 2009, 09:21:19 PM »
like i said a rumor, friend of a friend kinda thing. the claim is that talks are still in the works, and didn't make the draw deadline. personally i think its B.S. but had to ask.

i believe last year the herd was fed 150 tons

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Re: elk rumor?????
« Reply #5 on: June 19, 2009, 09:29:15 PM »
Yes I guess they did feed the elk the last couple of winters. I forgot about that. I guess I was just thinking about how they didn't want to feed the elk, but ended up doing it anyway due to the unusual amount of snow and pressure from the public. Maybe they are going to do something more drastic to reduce elk numbers. THEY SHOULD!!!  I thought it was odd that they would increase cow permits in areas that don't even have an excessive winter kill. They did add a few of those Mudflow permits but very few. Not enough to really make a significant dent in the herd. I dug up this news release from last January:



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WASHINGTON DEPARTMENT OF FISH AND WILDLIFE
NEWS RELEASE
600 Capitol Way North, Olympia, WA 98501-1091

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January 16, 2008
Contact: Wildlife Program, (360), 902-2515



WDFW to begin winter feeding for Mount St. Helens elk



OLYMPIA – A stretch of cold and wet winter weather – beginning with December rainstorms and floods – has prompted the Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife (WDFW) to initiate a winter feeding program for elk in the Mount St. Helens Wildlife Area.

To help the animals survive the winter, WDFW will begin feeding hay this month to more than 400 elk gathered in the 2,744-acre wildlife area at the base of Mount St. Helens, said Steve Pozzanghera, deputy assistant wildlife director for the department.

Like last year, the feeding program is designed to serve as a stop-gap measure until the St. Helens elk herd – the state’s largest – can be brought into balance with available forage, Pozzanghera said.

“Heavy rainstorms and floods have already washed out some forage areas, and weather forecasts call for unusually cold, wet weather for the remainder of the winter,” he said. “Tests of elk harvested during the fall hunting season indicate that many are again in a “lean” body condition, reducing their chances of surviving a hard winter.”

Wildlife biologists recently counted 439 elk in the Mount St. Helens mudflow area – already more animals than the area can support in winter, said Dave Ware, WDFW game manager. To reduce stress on those animals, the department closed public access to the wildlife area Dec. 1 through April 30, he said.

The duration of this year’s feeding program will depend on habitat and weather conditions, which will be monitored throughout the cold months, Ware said. Last winter, the department fed approximately 162 tons of hay to elk in the wildlife area. The total cost of the effort, including distribution, was approximately $63,000, he said.

“A single elk can consume eight to 10 pounds of hay per day, so it adds up quick,” Ware said.

Ware said harsh weather isn’t the only reason WDFW decided to initiate this year’s feeding program. In recent years, the sheer size of the elk herd combined with diminishing forage habitat has left some animals chronically stressed by malnutrition, he said.

In late 2006, WDFW adopted management plans for the St. Helens elk herd and the Mount St. Helens Wildlife Area, which provide strategies for a long-term solution to the problem.

A major strategy of the elk herd plan (http://wdfw.wa.gov/wlm/game/elk/sthelens.htm) was that WDFW should expand hunting opportunities to reduce the size of the herd from 12,500 to 10,000 animals over a five-year period. During the past year, the department added 60 special hunting permits in the wildlife area, 1,300 additional hunting permits in the St. Helens Tree Farm and worked with the Weyerhaeuser Co. and dozens of volunteers to expand motorized access to hunting in that area.

Meanwhile, the department has been working to expand the availability of forage plants for elk, as provided in the new management plan for the Mount St. Helens Wildlife Area (http://wdfw.wa.gov/lands/wildlife_areas/management_plans/index.htm). WDFW recently stabilized the bank of the Toutle River in a key section of the wildlife area, and plans to revegetate about 50 acres in that area over the next few years.

“These plans have only been in place for a year, so we haven’t yet achieved the herd reductions or the broad, landscape-level habitat improvements that would improve winter conditions for elk,” Ware said. “But the long-term objective is to transition out of winter feeding and maintain the local elk population at a level that can be supported by natural forage.”

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Re: elk rumor?????
« Reply #6 on: June 19, 2009, 09:57:38 PM »
I think maybe a few more permits for the young-ins :twocents:

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Re: elk rumor?????
« Reply #7 on: June 20, 2009, 05:27:19 AM »
Got this from Michelle last night.  :dunno:  :chuckle:

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I got an email about a week ago from F&W and I think it is aout what you are talking about.     I can't get their link to come up though.

WASHINGTON DEPARTMENT OF FISH AND WILDLIFE
NEWS RELEASE
600 Capitol Way North, Olympia, WA 98501-1091

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June 12, 2009
Contact: Special Draws, 1-800-DEER-TAG

Biologists verify over population of Mount St Helens Elk herd.  


OLYMPIA -- Biologists have confirmed that the population of the Mount St. Helen's Elk herds are on the rise with no end in sight.  An average increase of between 10%- 15% per year for the last 5 years.  In April 2008 they counted 504 elk in the Mount St. Helen's mudflow area.  More animals than the area could ever hope to support this coming winter even with the feeding program in progress.

Their are approximately 12,500 elk living around the Mount St. Helen's area.

With the Cows in the process of dropping calves biologists expect the population to increase approximately 32% by this summer.  By this winter the increase should be down to around 14% after calf mortality.  That will increase the herd to 14,250.

It has been determined that an increased harvest will be required this year (2009) and possibly for the next 3 years to bring the number of the heard down so that the area can more easily support them.

Approximately 340 will be made available.  To apply for this special drawing please call the Cindy (Director of Special Applications) at 1 800 DEER TAG (333 7824).

Not all tags will be issued at once.  This is to prevent to many hunters in the area at one time and causing more stress to the animals.  Once you call the number your name and contact info will be put on a list and you will be contacted when your number comes up.

For more information please refer to the link:




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Re: elk rumor?????
« Reply #8 on: June 20, 2009, 05:44:40 AM »
Went back thru my log.  Didn't get that one.  :dunno: 
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Re: elk rumor?????
« Reply #9 on: June 20, 2009, 06:10:15 AM »
Got this from Michelle last night.  :dunno:  :chuckle:

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I got an email about a week ago from F&W and I think it is aout what you are talking about.     I can't get their link to come up though.

WASHINGTON DEPARTMENT OF FISH AND WILDLIFE
NEWS RELEASE
600 Capitol Way North, Olympia, WA 98501-1091

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June 12, 2009
Contact: Special Draws, 1-800-DEER-TAG

Biologists verify over population of Mount St Helens Elk herd.  


OLYMPIA -- Biologists have confirmed that the population of the Mount St. Helen's Elk herds are on the rise with no end in sight.  An average increase of between 10%- 15% per year for the last 5 years.  In April 2008 they counted 504 elk in the Mount St. Helen's mudflow area.  More animals than the area could ever hope to support this coming winter even with the feeding program in progress.

Their are approximately 12,500 elk living around the Mount St. Helen's area.

With the Cows in the process of dropping calves biologists expect the population to increase approximately 32% by this summer.  By this winter the increase should be down to around 14% after calf mortality.  That will increase the herd to 14,250.

It has been determined that an increased harvest will be required this year (2009) and possibly for the next 3 years to bring the number of the heard down so that the area can more easily support them.

Approximately 340 will be made available.  To apply for this special drawing please call the Cindy (Director of Special Applications) at 1 800 DEER TAG (333 7824).

Not all tags will be issued at once.  This is to prevent to many hunters in the area at one time and causing more stress to the animals.  Once you call the number your name and contact info will be put on a list and you will be contacted when your number comes up.

For more information please refer to the link:

That is pretty funny. The terminology gave it away.

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Re: elk rumor?????
« Reply #10 on: June 20, 2009, 07:40:29 AM »
surely they will just transpalnt some of our wolves over there........that will fix your predicament.

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Re: elk rumor?????
« Reply #11 on: June 22, 2009, 10:49:26 AM »
Here's an idea...... Quit feeding the damn things..... Then they will migrate down river like they should anyway.  And the ones that die..... well.... then the game department should be fined for every dead elk in the "feeding area"...  Creating a false migration is what is all boils down to.

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Re: elk rumor?????
« Reply #12 on: June 22, 2009, 10:28:50 PM »
I have wondered why don't those elk go down river to find food, even before any feeding program?

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Re: elk rumor?????
« Reply #13 on: June 23, 2009, 07:02:14 AM »
One way they can bump up the amount of permits in the mudflow,just give the people that put in for the mudflow and didn't git drawn, and give them a tag.  :rolleyes:

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Re: elk rumor?????
« Reply #14 on: June 23, 2009, 12:41:57 PM »
i think i heard somethin about a big elk shoot this fall... in the coweeman and winston units around teh forst weekend of November? i heard the entire orange army will be out there to make sure they get them all! :chuckle:

 


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