Idaho's new Deer/Elk License System

[BeerBugler]

The resident spuds, bitched and moaned about old system enough and finally got their way.

Why would Idaho residents complain about the old system, it had zero effect on us? Idaho residents probably prefer the old system, we could insure tags for any friends or family that lived out of state. Can you clarify your comment?

[zwickeyman]

The resident spuds, bitched and moaned about old system enough and finally got their way.

Why would Idaho residents complain about the old system, it had zero effect on us? Idaho residents probably prefer the old system, we could insure tags for any friends or family that lived out of state. Can you clarify your comment?

   Totally agree. The only complaints came from out of state hunters

[andrew_in_idaho]

The resident spuds, bitched and moaned about old system enough and finally got their way.

Why would Idaho residents complain about the old system, it had zero effect on us? Idaho residents probably prefer the old system, we could insure tags for any friends or family that lived out of state. Can you clarify your comment?

   Totally agree. The only complaints came from out of state hunters

I actually kinda enjoyed the old system, it was like a holiday to me, I called it “nonresident tears day”. Now it’s apparently going to be around January 6th every year no offense to any nonresidents who come to hunt here, I’m a nonresident in 49 other states, but when I don’t draw a tag I don’t whine and complain until they change things because I think it will make it better for me.


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[2MANY]

Sounds like you're whining and complaining right now.

The ones that choose to put in the effort will still find a way.

[andrew_in_idaho]

Sounds like you're whining and complaining right now.

The ones that choose to put in the effort will still find a way.

Not at all


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[2MANY]

Sounds like you're whining and complaining right now.

The ones that choose to put in the effort will still find a way.

Not at all

I was just clowning around.

[luvmystang67]

As a current Idaho resident, I selfishly preferred the old system, because it was easier to get my out-of-state buddies tags.  The new system is more fair, which means we have no leverage.

Smallest violin, but I liked the old way.  We had it figured out, and it worked in our favor for my crew.  New system worked out this year, but might not in the future.

[Dirtnap]

I belong to several of the forums for North Idaho on Facebook, and there was a big push for this from residence, It was never made clear quite why I always questioned the fact that residents were able to buy a bunch of tags for all their buddies too.

[pd]

I belong to several of the forums for North Idaho on Facebook, and there was a big push for this from residence, It was never made clear quite why I always questioned the fact that residents were able to buy a bunch of tags for all their buddies too.

I concur with this.  My relatives (generations of Idaho residents) disliked the old system, they said "foreigners get too many advantages..."  I never really understood why they felt this way, but they pushed IDF&G hard to make changes.  You reap what you sow.

Did not draw, by the way.  Oh well.

I think a lot of non resident hunters will reevaluate this state in 2027, now that they realize $200 is a sunk cost.

[luvmystang67]

I belong to several of the forums for North Idaho on Facebook, and there was a big push for this from residence, It was never made clear quite why I always questioned the fact that residents were able to buy a bunch of tags for all their buddies too.

I concur with this.  My relatives (generations of Idaho residents) disliked the old system, they said "foreigners get too many advantages..."  I never really understood why they felt this way, but they pushed IDF&G hard to make changes.  You reap what you sow.

Did not draw, by the way.  Oh well.

I think a lot of non resident hunters will reevaluate this state in 2027, now that they realize $200 is a sunk cost.

There's this general idea among residents that there need to be fewer non-residents hunting.  I believe many of them thought going to a draw would reduce tag quantities.  As we all know it did not.

On that note, tags for non-residents have been capped at the state level at 12,815 since 1990 as far as I can tell.  Granted, since 2021, they've not distributed all of those tags due to their percentage-based calculation.  Perhaps they haven't sold out every year since 1990, but they've been available.  I do think you're getting more non-residents who come from the east coast and the south and make a big 2 week extravaganza out of it, rather than getting a few folks from neighboring states who lived near the border and who might still come for long weekends.  I think the number of tags could've stayed the same, while the pressure really did increase.  Plus you have wolves, who have pushed hunters (and elk) into smaller areas.

In any case, I don't see how a resident would prefer this system over the last one, except by being annoyed at seeing a line at 9AM one day a year at their local license dealer.

[BUTTER]

Well the fact that we spent 200 bucks and if you didn't dry you get nothing out of it to increase your odds. The next year is very silly. If we didn't draw we should have got at least a point and make it a Max point thing like people can't have more than three but to get nothing and have the same yds every year for $200. That's just silly

[kselkhunter]

I belong to several of the forums for North Idaho on Facebook, and there was a big push for this from residence, It was never made clear quite why I always questioned the fact that residents were able to buy a bunch of tags for all their buddies too.

I concur with this.  My relatives (generations of Idaho residents) disliked the old system, they said "foreigners get too many advantages..."  I never really understood why they felt this way, but they pushed IDF&G hard to make changes.  You reap what you sow.

Did not draw, by the way.  Oh well.

I think a lot of non resident hunters will reevaluate this state in 2027, now that they realize $200 is a sunk cost.

There's this general idea among residents that there need to be fewer non-residents hunting.  I believe many of them thought going to a draw would reduce tag quantities.  As we all know it did not.

On that note, tags for non-residents have been capped at the state level at 12,815 since 1990 as far as I can tell.  Granted, since 2021, they've not distributed all of those tags due to their percentage-based calculation.  Perhaps they haven't sold out every year since 1990, but they've been available.  I do think you're getting more non-residents who come from the east coast and the south and make a big 2 week extravaganza out of it, rather than getting a few folks from neighboring states who lived near the border and who might still come for long weekends.  I think the number of tags could've stayed the same, while the pressure really did increase.  Plus you have wolves, who have pushed hunters (and elk) into smaller areas.

In any case, I don't see how a resident would prefer this system over the last one, except by being annoyed at seeing a line at 9AM one day a year at their local license dealer.

Idaho's population has grown over 100% since 1990, and the non-resident tag numbers remained the same during that time.  The increase in hunting pressure is coming from the influx of residents. 

I split my time living between Idaho and Oregon, and hear lots of Idaho residents call themselves "natives" in complaining about the influx of new resident population moving here.   Which has nothing to do with non-residents, other than it being an easy scapegoat to use when complaining to IDFG.....  I will say there are a heck of alot more people on side by sides in the backroads of Idaho than there used to be.   There are definitely alot more people recreating in Idaho than in decades past. 

[Jimmy33]

Well the fact that we spent 200 bucks and if you didn't dry you get nothing out of it to increase your odds. The next year is very silly. If we didn't draw we should have got at least a point and make it a Max point thing like people can't have more than three but to get nothing and have the same yds every year for $200. That's just silly

Just say no to any form of points system. Its a complete racket. The best odds are always equal odds


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[Skillet]

Well the fact that we spent 200 bucks and if you didn't dry you get nothing out of it to increase your odds. The next year is very silly. If we didn't draw we should have got at least a point and make it a Max point thing like people can't have more than three but to get nothing and have the same yds every year for $200. That's just silly

Just say no to any form of points system. Its a complete racket. The best odds are always equal odds


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100% correct.  Your $200 was the price of your lottery ticket.  You did get value, however, as you can now do any over-the-counter hunting you want there.  Birds, coyotes, etc.  A hunting license isn't just for big game.

In fact, some guys will likely drop out entirely after a year or two of not drawing anything for the exact reason you cite, as they don't feel invested and don't understand the real benefits of a no-points system.  That is good for everybody's odds.

[vandeman17]

Well the fact that we spent 200 bucks and if you didn't dry you get nothing out of it to increase your odds. The next year is very silly. If we didn't draw we should have got at least a point and make it a Max point thing like people can't have more than three but to get nothing and have the same yds every year for $200. That's just silly

Use the license to go bear hunt, wolf hunt etc. I didn't apply this year but was very close and my mindset was that if I didn't draw, I was going to try and at least make a trip over for a few days to try and kill a bear in the spring.