370” Siouxon Bull elk

[LucasSmarrties816]

1980 Siouxon bull Boone and Crockett score @ 370”
Killed by Mark Morgan of Kalama wa.
Anyone else have experience with a Roosevelt of this caliber in the region or western wa in general?

[redi]

Beautiful bull. Not to take anything away from the bulls or hunter but Roosevelt elk boundary is I-5. Anything east of I-5 is classified as a Rocky Mountain elk.

[LucasSmarrties816]

So do you think the Boone and Crocker plate is fake? Just curious because I searched the records book for this bull under his name and all the different elk categories

[WapitiTalk1]

Beautiful bull. Not to take anything away from the bulls or hunter but Roosevelt elk boundary is I-5. Anything east of I-5 is classified as a Rocky Mountain elk.

Agree with redi. I’m not sure when I5 became the divider for Roosie/RM elk ID but I will say that the elk in the image has a lot of RM elk characteristics 

[elkrack]

Beautiful bull. Not to take anything away from the bulls or hunter but Roosevelt elk boundary is I-5. Anything east of I-5 is classified as a Rocky Mountain elk.

Agree with redi. I’m not sure when I5 became the divider for Roosie/RM elk ID but I will say that the elk in the image has a lot of RM elk characteristics 

 
And the pictured bull is 330” tops unless those mains are 60”

[highside74]

I've always called them Cascade Roosevelt east of i5 and west of the Cascade range.

370 is generous judging by those pics but definitely a shooter any day of the hunt.

[Kingofthemountain83]

I think there B&C boundaries are kinda askew imo... Rimrock for example is full of Rosies... Then I've seen bulls that look more like Rocky Mtn in Storm King and Skookum... Great bull either way though! I'm sure the plaque is made at some trophy shop... Or even the taxidermist... Not some official B&C plaque... 

[redi]

I’m not disputing the score or trying to take away anything from the Bull. I agree the boundary is a line that elk can cross at will. Boone and Crockett and Pope and Young record books have established that boundary.

[JPhelps]

That’s a great bull (even though it’s not 370)

In the past 15 years we have only found four cascade Roosevelt bulls in that 350+ range and only been able to kill one.

[Threewolves]

One of these is from B&C the other just from google

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[pianoman9701]

Darn nice bull in any case. 

[Kingofthemountain83]

https://www.boone-crockett.org/category-boundaries-big-game-records#MuleDeer


B&C boundaries for today... I can't find boundaries for 1980... But guessing it was cut down the middle of the Cascades pretty much... They said it's been moved multiple times... I remember the PCT being a boundary at one point... I'm thinking that bulls 340"ish... Could very well be a rosie... That's so hard to tell from the look... B&C just started accepting them in 1979... And they got it done up for someone... Who knows the story... Probably a joke for a friend or family... The 300 series gmu's that border the Cascades are full of rosies and crossbreeds... Just like the benchlegs...

[redi]

This is from the Boone and Crockett website.

[Magnum_Willys]

There were some big bulls in the Soiuxon in the early 80’s - because most of the unit was closed due th the eruption of Mount St Helens in May 1980.

[Pathfinder101]

So do you think the Boone and Crocker plate is fake? Just curious because I searched the records book for this bull under his name and all the different elk categories

Boone and Crockett doesn't engrave a plate for you.  They send you a certificate.  Someone had that plate made.  Also, just because it was scored by B&C standards doesn't mean that it was officially scored or entered in the books.  Most likely Mr. Morgan shot a stomper of a bull elk (that he believed was a Roosevelt), had someone score it (or scored it himself), came up with 370" and when he had it mounted, he had a plate made to commemorate it.  He was also smart enough to put his wife's name on the plaque for her role in harvesting the bull.  Smart man.

Either way; it's a beautiful bull (I agree with most of you that it appears to have more Rocky characteristics than Roosy-but who knows  ), I would absolutely have gotten him mounted, and if putting my wife's name on a plaque would have convinced her to let me hang it in the living room, I'd have done that too....

[Falcon]

Great looking bull.   I don’t think it’s a true blooded Roosevelt.   
When you hunt on the coast, you know what I’m talking about.   
I live in Enumclaw, and have seen what I believe are cascade rosies. They don’t have the body size of a coastal Rosie, or the shorter thick horns.   

[Kingofthemountain83]

6-7 years ago my dad and I joined a Rayonier lease west of Forks... We were hunting a unit that bordered the Olympic Park during muzzy elk... We were hunting the edge calling a bull over and he came down hot... A perfect clean chocolate 6x6 huge, heavy, long tines, easy 350 class bull... I put a good frontal shot on him at 66 yard in the middle of the road we were both on... He turned and ran up the road 40 yards in the pouring rain... Then bailed off ridge in this steep reprod that was 20 foot tall with branches intertwined... We spent the rest of the day trying to track him... No blood... Tracks but there were elk tracks all throughout there... His were bigger though... Then spent the next 4 days grid searching for him on that side ridge... You'd have to step on him to find him while pushing through branches and stickers... I was sick... Guarantee you he's still there... But if I had that bull hanging on the wall and that's what you saw when you walked in... Most people would assume he's a rocky mountain... Saw 2 other bulls in that unit in the 330"+ clean 6x6... These weren't your standard looking brush bulls rosies... Even seen one with a collar and his antlers cut off... Main guy of the lease said those are park bulls... Sometimes you get lucky...     

[Falcon]

6-7 years ago my dad and I joined a Rayonier lease west of Forks... We were hunting a unit that bordered the Olympic Park during muzzy elk... We were hunting the edge calling a bull over and he came down hot... A perfect clean chocolate 6x6 huge, heavy, long tines, easy 350 class bull... I put a good frontal shot on him at 66 yard in the middle of the road we were both on... He turned and ran up the road 40 yards in the pouring rain... Then bailed off ridge in this steep reprod that was 20 foot tall with branches intertwined... We spent the rest of the day trying to track him... No blood... Tracks but there were elk tracks all throughout there... His were bigger though... Then spent the next 4 days grid searching for him on that side ridge... You'd have to step on him to find him while pushing through branches and stickers... I was sick... Guarantee you he's still there... But if I had that bull hanging on the wall and that's what you saw when you walked in... Most people would assume he's a rocky mountain... Saw 2 other bulls in that unit in the 330"+ clean 6x6... These weren't your standard looking brush bulls rosies... Even seen one with a collar and his antlers cut off... Main guy of the lease said those are park bulls... Sometimes you get lucky...     

That sounds like a monster bull.   No doubt there are some big Rosie’s, especially in that area near the park.   There is nothing like a heavy red antlered bull in your hunting sights 😛

[Kingofthemountain83]

6-7 years ago my dad and I joined a Rayonier lease west of Forks... We were hunting a unit that bordered the Olympic Park during muzzy elk... We were hunting the edge calling a bull over and he came down hot... A perfect clean chocolate 6x6 huge, heavy, long tines, easy 350 class bull... I put a good frontal shot on him at 66 yard in the middle of the road we were both on... He turned and ran up the road 40 yards in the pouring rain... Then bailed off ridge in this steep reprod that was 20 foot tall with branches intertwined... We spent the rest of the day trying to track him... No blood... Tracks but there were elk tracks all throughout there... His were bigger though... Then spent the next 4 days grid searching for him on that side ridge... You'd have to step on him to find him while pushing through branches and stickers... I was sick... Guarantee you he's still there... But if I had that bull hanging on the wall and that's what you saw when you walked in... Most people would assume he's a rocky mountain... Saw 2 other bulls in that unit in the 330"+ clean 6x6... These weren't your standard looking brush bulls rosies... Even seen one with a collar and his antlers cut off... Main guy of the lease said those are park bulls... Sometimes you get lucky...     

That sounds like a monster bull.   No doubt there are some big Rosie’s, especially in that area near the park.   There is nothing like a heavy red antlered bull in your hunting sights 😛

There are for sure some monsters in there... Still get a little crappy feeling in my stomach when I think back on it... Found two smaller dead heads looking for him... They were big bulls... 270-280 One was non typical the other a clean 6x6... It was just a crap situation all around... Probably a 1000 plus pound animal took a center punch from a 50 cal and disappeared in the reprod... Biggest bodied elk I've ever seen... 

[blackveltbowhunter]

This bull is for sale on marketplace. Someone should buy him so we can see if there is a disparity in score  ...... 6 grand well spent for our piece of mind!

The potential for any species to have outliers is always in the cards, genetic potential and individual genetic characteristics are two different animals. Literally. The record books attempt to minimize errors in records due to genetic dilution from both interbreeding and line crossover. But its not a perfect system.

The bull in question to ME is a cascade rosie, which would enter BC as a rocky mountain elk. The overwhelming majority of the elk in those areas seem more rocky influenced than rosie. I also agree he is not 370 but pictures can be deceiving however 50 inches is a big swing.

[Kingofthemountain83]

Looking for it now...

[Kingofthemountain83]

I can't find it... FB stupid filters... I don't get on market place much... Surprised by how much taxidermy there is on there... There is a nice 7 point bull in Yakima for $750 though...     And a lot of bulls done with there mouths open look horrible imo...

[elksnout]

Couldn’t care less on score. Rather I’d like to hear the hunting story of taking such a nice bull in a unit I’ve hunted a lot.

elksnout

[hiway_99]

Couldn’t care less on score. Rather I’d like to hear the hunting story of taking such a nice bull in a unit I’ve hunted a lot.

elksnout

Amen.  The story would be awesome to hear.

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[Magnum_Willys]

Yea, curious what part of Siouxon was legal to hunt in 1980?  Every place I knew of with big bulls was closed due to eruption of MSH.
I do remember newspaper article around that era showing brothers with couple of huge bulls “ from Siouxon” that were later admitted to be farm bulls from North Bonneville area.