Agency Liability Question

[wolfbait]

I have been thinking about those links to Defenders of Wildlife and Wolf Haven on the Washington Department of Wildlife website.

http://wdfw.wa.gov/wlm/diversty/soc/gray_wolf/

Isn’t there a law against a government agency promoting non-agency organizations? Could the WDFW be held responsible for biased management practices that are influenced by these groups and does that violate the public trust? Does anyone have any answers to these questions?

[runamuk]

Nice twist wolfbait.....hadn't thought of that...but do know if those nonprofits are swaying public interests they may be violating the rules of their non profit standing.....they are only allowed a minor amount of money and effort on lobbying and politicking....I am way too tired right now to dig into this......but I can pull up there tax returns tomorrow maybe if anyone is interested we can see what kind of money they have coming in and where they claim it goes...this actually is helpful when fighting these anti groups......

[bobcat]

Where did you see a link to Defenders of Wildlife?  I looked and couldn't find it. I did see a link for Wolf Haven but I'd be more concerned about the other one being listed on there.

[runamuk]

Where did you see a link to Defenders of Wildlife?  I looked and couldn't find it. I did see a link for Wolf Haven but I'd be more concerned about the other one being listed on there.

scroll down on the left near the bottom

The Bailey Wildlife Foundation Proactive Carnivore Conservation Fund
- Defenders of Wildlife

[Curly]

Where did you see a link to Defenders of Wildlife?  I looked and couldn't find it. I did see a link for Wolf Haven but I'd be more concerned about the other one being listed on there.

scroll down on the left near the bottom

The Bailey Wildlife Foundation Proactive Carnivore Conservation Fund
- Defenders of Wildlife

[bearpaw]

Nice work wolfbait.......

I see three links on the left column of the WDFW Wolf Page that are from anti-groups, tell me there isn't something wrong with this.  http://wdfw.wa.gov/wlm/diversty/soc/gray_wolf/

Check out the third link down the left column. It is Defender of Wildlife propaganda. Then check two links near the bottom of the page.

Livestock and Wolves
http://wdfw.wa.gov/wlm/diversty/soc/gray_wolf/livestock_wolves08.pdf

The Bailey Wildlife Foundation Proactive Carnivore Conservation Fund
- Defenders of Wildlife
http://www.defenders.org/programs_and_policy/wildlife_conservation/solutions/carnivore_conservation_fund/index.php

Wolf Haven International
http://www.wolfhaven.org/

[bearpaw]

runamuk....I am anxious to see what you find out....

[runamuk]

Well lets see the Bailey wildlife foundation appears to be a private trust of the Bailey family worth around 5-6 million...as far as I can see in 2008 they did not give any money to the defenders of wildlife proactive carnivore fund......need to go wade through defenders and see when they got money from the foundation and how much.....

wolfhaven's 2007 return shows a bit over 1.25 million...with the bulk of that going toward payroll  they claim no political expenditures  kinda surprised to see they held some monsanto stocks...just a side note...lol they had 66.46 acres of land donated to them the land is in bonners ferry ID this occurred back in 1999 it is called an easement in their 990.....makes me go hmmmmm...they are working with other agencies to reintroduce wolves....and that has always been part of their mission.

ok defenders of Wildlife may take some time to wade through......multiple agencies.....in multiple states......much like hsus....

anyone else who likes to wade through this stuff.......go to guidestar.org   join... its free then you can search for nonprofits and see their 990's for yourself it is enlightening to see just how HSUS spends its millions and how it has multiple affiliated organizations that do the dirty work...you can see who they give money to and recieve it from and who gets paid big bucks to be on the board......

[wolfbait]

Good Job, runamuck, thank you for jumping in on this. Hope you find can find more info,,

[runamuk]

DOW.....

so far......I see 141,000 in government grants

they spent 13 million on their program designed to protect native species and to enact envionmental legislation and to use litigation....that is just a synapsis of the statement for that program....dang I want to work for them the sr vp of operations gets 190,000 plus almost 20,000 in benefit plans

they pay a prof solicitor 734,655 a year

ok 805,000 on lobbying based on their 25,000,000+ a year expenditures they just squeak in under the allowable 1,000,000 in lobbying 

you know a for profit businessor private individual would have the IRS so far up their butt they'd need a proctologist to remove them if they claimed 100,000 in misc expenses 

ok they donated
70,800 to the grand canyon wolf recovery
16,000 to wolves university of arizona
15,000 mexican wolf

they gave the defenders of wildlife action fund 435,000 as a lobbying grant...gee doesn't that now go over the 1mil....yeah it does but these nonprofits do not get audited...
hsus misplaced 30 mil they received during the katrina disaster and it is being investigated but they keep claiming the money was used to help ...BS...

ok I need to go stick a spork in my eye...this always just ticks me off the way these nonprofits can bend and twist the rules and get rich paying no taxes and taking away rights of hard working americans while they are at it.....wish I was a sleazeball and could come up with some great "save the ___________ " movement   

[mulehunter]

Runamuk,   



Mulehunter   

[bearpaw]

runamuk....that's very interesting info....

[runamuk]

One thing you really gain from reading through the returns is just what you are up against......there are literally thousands of these anti groups many working together but claiming otherwise and many have annual operating budgets in the millions to tens of millions.......and often with assets in the hundreds of millions.  Huge amounts of money to be used to push their agenda.
When fighting the legislation that is slowly tying the hands of individuals to keep intact dogs we had the same problem, often with these same groups. 

They have a unity in that they all seem to truly hate the human race.....and they seem to succeed in dividing their opponents.  In the dog world they have officially pitted the show person against the pet person and commercial breeders against hobby breeders against backyard breeders....in the hunting community they play off the hunting groups and divide us with baiting, and high fence and bow and muzzy........in the farm world they divide the feedlots and the field raised then there are the animals sports where they start making waves with what is cruel and what is not.....dog fighting is cruel as is cock fighting but now that trickles into rodeo and bull riding and steer wrestling and even horse racing....the entire mission of these people is to get control by making us all fight amongst ourselves.

And they really do not ever seem to have animals best interests in mind.  If they did the wolf plan would have been created long before the wolves were reintroduced and it would have been stuck to and it would have been to the benefit of the wolves and the other wildlife....now it will be a game of catch up....I say drop a pack or two in Seattle there are a couple nice parks like Discovery for instance and lets see if living with these gentle predators is the way they spin it.  Hell they are freaking out because there have been a bunch of Bobbies wandering round in urban areas....big freakin chicken *censored*s its just a bobcat....sorry ranting again.....off to soak my head

[Austrian Hunter]

runamuk,

Outstanding job,  

That is great information, and I agree everybody should look at these returns so we know what we up-against.  

Know, did you work for uncle sam as an investigator    

It sound you do have a financial background.  Anyway, great work and thanks for posting.

Austrian

[runamuk]

runamuk,

Outstanding job, 

That is great information, and I agree everybody should look at these returns so we know what we against. 

Know, did you work for uncle sam as an investigator    

It sound you do have a financial background.  Anyway, great work and thanks for posting.

Austrian

Naw I am just a curious person.....I've done my own taxes for years, was the bookkeeper for an engineering firm, and have a love of research.  I like investigating things just for kicks and put that to use in my letter writing campaigns.  I take the concept know thy enemy seriously.  And my days of debate caused me to enjoy being able to fight both sides of an issue   I am a bookworm and prefer to make up my own mind on all subjects and never just follow ..... nonprofit companies returns and financial standing is all public record.....if a company makes less than 25,000 a year they do not have to file.  you also learn who they work with and who they donate too by reading these returns....I found names on HSUS that receive money that also receive money from peta and I am pretty sure those private individuals are ELF or ALF affiliates......