Who Counts the Eye ,,,,,

[7mag.]

I meant embellish the story by taking longer to tell it. We could all tell storys in a short or long version and either would usually entertain me.

As you can probably tell, my stories are usually longer than necessary.

[georgia redneck]

If Boone & Crocket and Pope & Young counts them then why would'nt you count'em. Makes no sense. A point is a point. I guess it is all in how you were taught but facts are facts and a point is a point.

[ICEMAN]

If we see a two point with an eyeguard, and my kids shoot it, I will exclaim: "Wow! You got a monster buck!!!"

I we are counting them...

[gasman]

Its all about "PRIDE".

It makes them feel better about them selfves if they say "with eye guards" after ther number of points.
It does not make any other sence, a point, is a point, is a point.


A uddy f mine does the same thing, he argues with me over eye guards. I just tell him to grab his pump, and pump it up, cause i don't care how big his manhood is 

[DOUBLELUNG]

Heres how i count them on mule deer if its a 4x4 with eyesguards i call it a 4x4 with eyeguards,but if i was scoring the deer i would score the eyeguards too.Whitetail a 4x4 with eyeguards is a 5x5, count eyeguards on whitetails.

+1

[Skyvalhunter]

I don't count the eyeguards unless it's a whitetail.

[billythekidrock]

5x5 bull elk with eyeguards = 5 over 2......not a 7 pt. and definately not a 14 pt.
4x4 blacktail with eyeguards = 4 pt....not a ten point.

[bow4elk]

interesting perspectives for sure.  The thread is titled, "Who counts the eye..."  So, in this case to each his own.  Counting vs. Scoring is like apples and oranges.  Call them what you will - if you will - but if you care to enter your prized rack into a record book, competition, etc., they "count" and add to the score for all species regardless of where you live or what you call them. 

[whacker1]

I can't believe we are having this discussion.  People must really be expending nervouse energy to get to the later part of this week.  Bottom Line is that different groups have different ways of talking about animals.  When I am with one group:  A 5 x 5  bull is 3 point with double eye guaryds, and with other groups it is a 5 x 5.  I am usually trying to paint a picture through words as part of the description, so I will probably tell you for example that my Mule deer is a 5 x 9, but further explain that it is a non- typical 4 x 4 with eyeguards and then stickers and trash on the one side.   I think that most of this conversation has to do with how the story was told and a reason talk about our animals - Most of the description has to do with up bringing and our teachers, mentors, etc told the stories.

Another example - My first buck, a black tail, I will tell you is a 4 x 3, which scored as a 6 x 3 by B & C, because it had double eyeguards on the 4 point side.  Again, just trying to paint a picture as part of story telling.   This is also why most people ask for pictures vs. asking how long the g4 was.  We want to see the actual outcome.  It is not, because they don't agree with your description, but they want a better visual of the outcome.  

For those that don't count eyeguards - What are you going to do when you come across a Non-Typical Mule deer that I would call a 27 x 32?  My point is that we are going to tell the story as often as possible, and something like this will make a hell of a story and paint a hell of a picture.

[Alchase]

A point is a point is a point, to me not counting "all" points is like saying I only have one arm, I do not count the left arm because "left" is in front of it?
So I would be a 1x1.
Those that live in the east would call me a two armed man. Then they might add a couple of legs and "other" appendages to the count depending on who they were telling the story to.

The only opinion that really matters is the one the WDFW prints in the hunting rules and regs.

[Big10gauge]

I've always used the western count, I believe it describes the rack better, If someone tells me they shot a 10 point it doesn't describe it accurately and leaves alot to the imagination. Could be a 3 point with lots of stickers. Of course I would count the eyeguards if I wanted to shoot for legality issues, but wouldn't tell someone that I shot a 10 pt.

[croix]

I change how I count based on who I'm talking to. I know how many points it had and I don't mind talking in a way that the person understands me.

The only time I have an issue is when I'm talking with someone new and don't know how they count. Then I end up calling it everything:

10 point, 5x5, 4x4 w/ guards, 20 divided by four carry the one.... well you get the idea.

[EastWaViking]

I've always used the western count, I believe it describes the rack better,

Well put.

[Curly]

I've always used the western count, I believe it describes the rack better, If someone tells me they shot a 10 point it doesn't describe it accurately and leaves alot to the imagination. Could be a 3 point with lots of stickers. Of course I would count the eyeguards if I wanted to shoot for legality issues, but wouldn't tell someone that I shot a 10 pt.

+1


(This discussion happens every year.  Seems like the exact same discussion as last time)  Western count is what should be used in this state.......afterall this is just about as far west as you can get.

[Hooter]

Each point has a measurable indicator, G-1, G-2 etc. Brow tines are in fact G-1's when you are talking deer. When you talk Elk, Brow, Bez, Trez for me anyway, and so on, no such thing as "Double eye guards", IMO. Those who do are just explaining what they were taught, nothing wrong with that, its the hunting past being handed down to the next generation. Extra stickers are just that, junk (which most of us like) then added to or subtracted from the score (if your into that) Safari, B&C or P&Y. Anyhow, its what makes for great stories I think! Its down, its brown so talk about them points, I mean double eye guards, or was it G-40's, ah, forget it!!