Ultimate muzzleloader 500+ yards

[Craig]

they have a story in the last Trophy hunter magazine. Pretty impressive gun. they were shooting elk at 700 yards. 200 grain charges. I know they are not legal in WA but pretty cool.

http://www.ultimatefirearms.com/

[jstone]

There goes Muzzy season.

[ribka]

Have to agree. No big deal. I like the fact WA and ID require the restrictions that they do during ML season. ML seaons in a lot of states are becoming a joke, Scopes, saboted rounds, closed actions etc. Basically single shot rifles and not a ML. The reason they developed ML seasons was because they were once considered a "primitive weapon".

Guys need these highly technical ML's as a crutch because they lack hunting skills needed to get close to game.

I assume this new improved Ml would be classified as a primitive weapon too?

[jackelope]

You can shoot 500+ yards with a regular muzzleloader.   I guess I don't see what's so special. 

you just have to hold over about 11'

[colockumelk]

Have to agree. No big deal. I like the fact WA and ID require the restrictions that they do during ML season. ML seaons in a lot of states are becoming a joke, Scopes, saboted rounds, closed actions etc. Basically single shot rifles and not a ML. The reason they developed ML seasons was because they were once considered a "primitive weapon".

Guys need these highly technical ML's as a crutch because they lack hunting skills needed to get close to game.

I assume this new improved Ml would be classified as a primitive weapon too?

I totally agree.  I wish there were more restrictions for the ML season in WA.  BTW I am a ML hunter.  The reason we have lost alot of our seasons and especially losing the ability to hunt cows without a permit and our late seasons is because we have such a high success rate in part because of our modern in-lines (which I own) and our jacketed rounds (which I shoot).  The more effective our bullets and weapons we shoot and the more affective we are as a user group will mean shorter seasons and more restrictions. 

[Broken Arrow]

news flash - 2013....new smathews bow will shoot 600 ft @ 535 fps and brown castle muzzle loader shoots 1100 ft with .5 inch groups. does this ever end? its traditonal for gods sake!

[Iron Head]

My knight can shoot that far. Just give me a scope.

[edmondshunter]

I say Boo.  I wouldn't want to use a gun like that.  Whats the diff. between this and a mod. rifle. Not much

[Chesapeake]

I think its pretty neet, but why. Kind of like hot roddin a civic. If you wanted a long range rifle why not start with a 300 ultramag or something like that? Why start with a slow muzzleloader?

[fishcrazy]

I want one!! why? I don't know. I want one just to have one and shoot it. I wounder how much smoke it makes? 


Kris