Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation Sucks for snowmobilers, Mt bikers and ORV users!

[turbo]

If you support them then you support wilderness land closures and are supporting the Sierra club with your money! If you want to take away your rights to public land then continue to give them your money.

http://www.sierraclub.org/planet/199610/huntfish.asp

Quote - Spurred by blatant congressional attacks on America's natural resources, environmentalists are setting aside past differences with hunters and anglers and working together to defend wild lands and habitat from timber and oil companies, mining conglomerates and irresponsible developers.

More than 100,000 Sierra Club members - better than one out of six - are active hunters and anglers dedicated to continuing the sporting tradition through public land conservation. Considering that more than 50 million Americans fish and 15 million hunt, such a coalition makes sense. Most recently, alliances such as Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation, run by elk hunters, and the National Fish and Wildlife Foundation, run by a former National Audubon Society lobbyist, have protected or restored 1.8 million acres north of Yellowstone National Park.

Trout Unlimited has been another powerful force in not only conserving public lands from the threats of grazing reform and irresponsible forestry practices, but preserving the Endangered Species and Clean Water acts. "What has made Trout Unlimited so successful is that it is run by people who are not just sportsmen or environmentalists, but both, " wrote Ted Williams in the September/October issue of Sierra magazine.

"Whenever sportsmen combine with environmentalists, you have 60 to 70 percent of the population, an absolutely irresistible coalition," Chris Potholm, professor of government and legal studies at Bowdoin College in Maine, told the magazine.

http://www.nature.org/magazine/autumn2006/features/art18601.html

http://www.snowest.com/news/print.cfm?id=1637

http://www.snowmobile-alliance.org/07/images/RMEF_Support_for_Beaverhead_Partnership.jpg

http://www.sharetrails.org/magazine/article.php?id=1112

http://www.snowest.com/forum/showthread.php?t=177777&page=3

Do you really think they have your best interest in mind? Do you care where you spend your money? I say boycott them!!

Here is a few more companys that give money to shut you out of your land.

Duofold
Turtle fur
Fedex
Leatherman
Nalgene
New balance
Coleman
Woolrich
Cabelas
LL Bean
REI

Start writing your letters now!

[elkaholic123]

I think you are misinformed about what the RMEF does!

[hunterofelk]

The RMEF is definitely looking out for my best interests and that is preserving elk habitat.  Usually any habitat that is saved from being developed for summer homes, ranchettes and other human activities that elk cannot coexist with, is transferred to the public trust, like the forest service.  The forest service determines the land use, whether or not to have off road travel or no motorized vehicles.
Acreage for elk and other animals is disappearing fast.  The ranch I grew up hunting on is now a gated community for high income brackets and a hunting club.  Also, real estate is much more expensive now than ever before, so the RMEF must work with other foundations in order to reach the goal of preserving habitat.
Do you want public land to hunt?  Do you remember years ago, maybe the sixties or seventies, when you had so many more opportunities to hunt for free or a low expense.  It was much easier to get on private land then, now you have to pay or hunt with the crowds.  What do you see in the future for our children?  For the elk herds?Summer and winter range reduced to a fenced in hunting club? 

[jackelope]

i don't get the point of the thread. call me stupid.

[washelkhntr]

I thought I was the only one who was confused on it.

[jmoyer2]

If you support them then you support wilderness land closures and are supporting the Sierra club with your money! If you want to take away your rights to public land then continue to give them your money.

http://www.sierraclub.org/planet/199610/huntfish.asp

Quote - Spurred by blatant congressional attacks on America's natural resources, environmentalists are setting aside past differences with hunters and anglers and working together to defend wild lands and habitat from timber and oil companies, mining conglomerates and irresponsible developers.

More than 100,000 Sierra Club members - better than one out of six - are active hunters and anglers dedicated to continuing the sporting tradition through public land conservation. Considering that more than 50 million Americans fish and 15 million hunt, such a coalition makes sense. Most recently, alliances such as Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation, run by elk hunters, and the National Fish and Wildlife Foundation, run by a former National Audubon Society lobbyist, have protected or restored 1.8 million acres north of Yellowstone National Park.

Trout Unlimited has been another powerful force in not only conserving public lands from the threats of grazing reform and irresponsible forestry practices, but preserving the Endangered Species and Clean Water acts. "What has made Trout Unlimited so successful is that it is run by people who are not just sportsmen or environmentalists, but both, " wrote Ted Williams in the September/October issue of Sierra magazine.

"Whenever sportsmen combine with environmentalists, you have 60 to 70 percent of the population, an absolutely irresistible coalition," Chris Potholm, professor of government and legal studies at Bowdoin College in Maine, told the magazine.

http://www.nature.org/magazine/autumn2006/features/art18601.html

http://www.snowest.com/news/print.cfm?id=1637

http://www.snowmobile-alliance.org/07/images/RMEF_Support_for_Beaverhead_Partnership.jpg

http://www.sharetrails.org/magazine/article.php?id=1112

http://www.snowest.com/forum/showthread.php?t=177777&page=3

Do you really think they have your best interest in mind? Do you care where you spend your money? I say boycott them!!

Here is a few more companys that give money to shut you out of your land.

Duofold
Turtle fur
Fedex
Leatherman
Nalgene
New balance
Coleman
Woolrich
Cabelas
LL Bean
REI

Start writing your letters now!

What? So what. No offense to you off road guys, but it has its time and place. I personally feel that all i need is my own two feet and maybe a good pack mule for the hairiest of situations while hunting. Nothing like packing in a few miles and then seeing some quads buzz by you

[blackveltbowhunter]

If we have to sacrifice quads and snowmobiles to provide quality habitat and opportunity for elk and elk hunting. So be it!!

[fishm@n]

Jeesh buddy nothing like being misinformed and taking things out of context.

The northern yellowstone land acquisitions are about protecting elk habitat and the ability to continue harvesting for many generations to come.

RMEF is about habitat preservation in the name of keeping elk and other critters alive especially during the winter months. NO WINTER RANGE = NO ELK.  If that means keeping ORV's out of winter range then it is a good thing whether you don't realize it. Get a clue dude.

[RUTNBULL1]

If we only knew where every dollar we spent with a purchase of commodities, etc. or donated to organizations, and found out that those dollars some way or some how trickled down or directly supported the groups most sportsmen disagree with or support, we as individuals wouldn't purchase anything within society, kinda of scary thought.  

[Grizzly95]

There is a time and a place for all things. It pisses me off to see people blazing through the woods on quads and sleds; but there are reasons for some people to be using them. I have a friend who's grandpa was disabled, he hated the idea of using his disabled permit to hunt from the truck. So the kids would drive him into hunting spots with quads. Helped the old boy enjoys his traditional hunts the last few years of his life.
  When bunny huggers and wildlife groups like RMEF can agree on helping to protect and even restore habitat I think I would have to agree with them. I didn't read all the articles and I am sure each each group has hidden objectives for their own gain.

[dbllunger]

I ride ORV dirt bikes and snowmobiles.  I think there are many areas that need to be shut down seasonally, and some that need access restrictions a little more.  That being said to compare the Sierra Club and the propoganda statement about their hunting members to the RMEF is beyond idiotic.  I give several hundred to RMEF every year, and our camp gives at least a grand.  If Sierra Club did for hunters what RMEF does they would be getting money from me also.  

[CastleRocker]

The biggest problem I see with this is, the "divide and conquer" approach seems to be working.  Pit one user group against the next, then sit back and watch them destroy each other.  

If we have to sacrifice quads and snowmobiles to provide quality habitat and opportunity for elk and elk hunting. So be it!!

What in the heck are you talking about???  I've heard this argument before, and it is usually brought up by...well I won't go there.  I don't know if you have ever been on a snowmobile, but where and when they are ridden (high in the mountains in the deep "snow")  is not habitat for elk until the snow is melted.  How would something that doesn't even touch the ground harm the "habitat"?  Some of you need to go sledding and see first hand before you make judgments based on reports you read in some conservation magazine.

I don't like being passed by quads when I've been walking all morning either.  I don't know anyone that does.  However, if it's legal to ride them there, then that is the way it is.  If it's not legal, deal with it, or turn them in.  

When I want to hunt where there aren't any mountain bikes, or quads, or any other means of mechanical conveyance, I go to the millions of acres of wilderness area we have in this state.  

I do not agree with the Sierra Club, RMEF (or any other organization) closing down public USFS land under the guise of "oh it's for the habitat".  I spent a large portion of my life logging.  That means I was out working in the woods every day, all day.  So I've seen first hand what happens to the elk population when an area is logged.  (In case you don't know; it goes up).

I don't support any "conservation" type groups, just because I really don't think they have hunters best interests in mind.

Just my  

[turbo]

First of all I don't own a quad, jeep, or dirt bike, I'm a sledder. I hunt in the Wilderness and pack my a$$ in and out. Elk and deer carts are illegal and all other mechanized products. The Sierra club and the Conservation society and the US gov are trying to re-visit the list of legal uses due to a recent ban on kite boarding (kites and snowboards) in Oregon wilderness. Do you think a gun or a bow might be considered mechanized if they can ban a kite?? I guess we will see.

There have been studies after studies on the impact of snowmobiles and wildlife and all conclusions are the same. There is no impact because there are no animals in 4 to 20 ft of snow.  As far as the growth of wilderness areas and the continued depletion of your rights on OUR land, I do not support that, we have enough! Only horse people (yah, I said it) and whack job leftist extremists that want to take away all of your land use and hunting rights do. As well as the city folk who sit in their cubicle and think it sounds like a great idea from behind a desk and never use the land.

What do you think is going to be the impact on existing land when they continue to squeeze down open ORV use lands. It will get trashed and then they will have an even better reason to shut it all down due to the destruction of public lands. DUH! All you have to do is look at the Reider's (sp) pit closure as an example on the west side. Gone for good.

For hunters to align themselves with leftist, extremist, elitist groups like the Sierra club, the conservation society and now RMEF is "change you can believe in"!! By giving money to the RMEF you are giving support and money to groups that want to eliminate you, your impact on land, your rights and your guns!! Good luck with that and enjoy the beginning of the end for hunting. I know where my money's not going and I will continue to call out the whackos and fight against your extremist groups. Have a nice day.

[colockumelk]

i don't get the point of the thread. call me stupid.

Basically the RMEF is buying up some land.  They are not going to allow snowmobiles, ORV's etc on that land.  So God forbid people that want to hunt this are will have to walk.    Oh the travesty of it all:)  So a road hunter saw this got pissed because he can't drive all over in that area.  And thus this thread was born. 

I love the RMEF.  Hopefully they do the same thing in the Colockum since the WDFW wont.  Maybe then the elk herd in the Colockum might have a chance.  To all the people that freak out everytime they close a road forcing you to maybe walk I have this to say.

Calm down and take a deep breath.  Just because the RMEF buys some land and closes it to ORV's and snowmobilers doesn't mean you can't hunt there.  You can still use your two feet just like the rest of us.  Also if that is not possible for you there are still tons of other areas that you can drive your ATV all over just like you want to.  Just because one are is closed to motor vehicles doesn't mean it's the end of the world.  Wildnerness areas are awsome.  You don't hear chainsaws, ATV's or anything.  Just silence and lots of bull elk screaming all over.  It's awsome you should try it sometime.  On second thought wilderness areas are horrible.  It's cold, it's always snowing and there aren't any animals.  Areas with roads are much better.

[turbo]

i don't get the point of the thread. call me stupid.

Basically the RMEF is buying up some land.  They are not going to allow snowmobiles, ORV's etc on that land.  So God forbid people that want to hunt this are will have to walk.    Oh the travesty of it all:)  So a road hunter saw this got pissed because he can't drive all over in that area.  And thus this thread was born. 

I love the RMEF.  Hopefully they do the same thing in the Colockum since the WDFW wont.  Maybe then the elk herd in the Colockum might have a chance.  To all the people that freak out everytime they close a road forcing you to maybe walk I have this to say.


Calm down and take a deep breath.  Just because the RMEF buys some land and closes it to ORV's and snowmobilers doesn't mean you can't hunt there.  You can still use your two feet just like the rest of us.  Also if that is not possible for you there are still tons of other areas that you can drive your ATV all over just like you want to.  Just because one are is closed to motor vehicles doesn't mean it's the end of the world.  Wildnerness areas are awsome.  You don't hear chainsaws, ATV's or anything.  Just silence and lots of bull elk screaming all over.  It's awsome you should try it sometime.  On second thought wilderness areas are horrible.  It's cold, it's always snowing and there aren't any animals.  Areas with roads are much better.

What the F are you talking about? I guess you didn't read the post. I never once mentioned private land and I don't own ATV's, Jeeps dirt bikes and I certainly wouldn't hunt on one. As I said above if you were to read it, I hunt in the fricken wilderness!!!!!

All I'm saying is we have enough wilderness! We don't need more and selling your souls to the Sierra club through the partnership with RMEF is rediculous for any hunter. They HATE you!! They will take away your rights as a hunter in the end. Go ahead and give your money to these anti hunting, anti rights, left wing whack jobs through RMEF, I'm done.