Cascade Blacktail

[littlebuf]

that would be a mule deer

I knew you'd know. grin...

Ive always been pretty good at discerning deer species from each other. my buddy thought he could get me one time when he said hey what kind of deer is this. he was a little surprised when after i looked at the pic i handed it back to him and said sitka blacktail. apperantly i cant tell a bench leg when i see one tho   

[Dmanmastertracker]

 For myself I wasn't intending to single out any one's deer, just to clarify there is a big difference in geographical boundaries for certain "terms". If I say I killed a booner Western blackie and I'm standing in the after the shot buck pic in front of Mt. Adams, then I'm probably either full of crap, or don't own a compass, or just plain haven't really read what the definition of a Western blacktail is. I will confess it is a little insulting for us predominantly blacktail guys when someone doesn't recognize the difference, to be honest.

[Kain]

I will confess it is a little insulting for us predominantly blacktail guys when someone doesn't recognize the difference, to be honest.

Exactly.

[MagKarl]

I think most of us are on the same page, and as Kain pointed out, nobody with true BT experience is really fooled when hunter X calls his Cascade region buck a BT.  It's unfortunate that the genetics are blurry and the classification boundaries absolute.  The point I think several guys were trying to make is the debate is tiresome, from both sides, posters and critics.  Takes away from the real point of a guy posting his pics and story of a great hunt and kill.    

[Track-er]

I am a big blacktail hunter as I live on the west side.I also know what a mule deer is and what a whitetail is.You shouldn't feel insulted for not recognizing my blacktail as a blacktail.



                                                    Mike

[Track-er]

Taken from btc.com

"Even though Blacktails hunters readily agree that there are areas well known for producing large Muledeer bucks, such as the Paunsaguant, the "Arizona strip" and the "Grande Mesa" in Colorado. Many have a hard time believing the same holds true for the Columbian Blacktail. Often saying that the Blacktails that come out of northern California and southern Oregon are not true Columbian's, but rather a muley cross. Their reasoning is simply? They can't be Blacktails because they have never seen a buck that size in their hunting area. The truth of the matter is, the rule of good genetics and nutrition, also applies to the Blacktail"

[littlebuf]

so tracker why did you remove the pics of your deers ass end from this post. i know they were on there and then gone? why. just wondering since YOU are the one who brought YOUR deer up


http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,37253.150.html   

[andrew_12gauge]

sorry tracker but i too have seen a pic of your buck and that isnt just good genetics and nutrition, with that tail there is no doubt your deer has some muley in it

[bucklucky]

Track-er, would you please post a picture of the ass of your west side muley. You know it is funny I have a client that brought in a buck he killed up there on the west side, he said to me " I know I killed it on the west side but this is no blacktail cross, pure Mule Deer " at least that guy can tell the differance between a blacktail and mule deer   Post that picture please. Ive mounted quite a few bench bucks or crosses and none looked like yours. Sorry man, thats a mule deer. But you call it what you want.

[andrew_12gauge]

and the argument that wdfw classifies it as a blacktail doesnt work either

[littlebuf]

and the argument that wdfw classifies it as a blacktail doesnt work either

oooo....snap

[Track-er]

Here,like I said not afraid to show the pics.

[littlebuf]

um yeah...muley

[Dmanmastertracker]

Taken from btc.com

"Even though Blacktails hunters readily agree that there are areas well known for producing large Muledeer bucks, such as the Paunsaguant, the "Arizona strip" and the "Grande Mesa" in Colorado. Many have a hard time believing the same holds true for the Columbian Blacktail. Often saying that the Blacktails that come out of northern California and southern Oregon are not true Columbian's, but rather a muley cross. Their reasoning is simply? They can't be Blacktails because they have never seen a buck that size in their hunting area. The truth of the matter is, the rule of good genetics and nutrition, also applies to the Blacktail"

 AAHH, now your opening a big can of worms. Being a member of BTC, your talking about a Site with Oregon and Northern CA origins, of course they will say that . Good guys all of them, but let's not confuse CA and Oregon deer with Washington.

[Track-er]

I think we need a DNA test.