Cascade Blacktail

[Track-er]

might as well..... i think where guys really get there panties in a bunch is when i guy shoots what he knows is a benchleg or a mulie and then calls it a blacktail to make it sound super impressive when really its a decent mule deer. what really gets me is the "blacktails" in northern cali and southern Oregon that get put in the same category as what we hunt here on the west side. those things are mulies

So if I read your statement correctly my buck is in fact a Blacktail.It was taken on the west side.


                             Mike

[Dmanmastertracker]

 Tracker, I'd be proud to shoot a deer like that, sorry your taking such a beating, not my intention (though I've been there myself ).

 My primary gripe has always been with the State on this deal. The Cascade crest area, particularly going down the southern end of the Cascades in Washington have always caused DFW a lot of confusion. They keep switching boundaries and seasons and definitions and I think it leads to a lot of frustration, no blacktail boundary should be east of the crest, as it is now down near Goldendale, bottom line is hunters down there monopolize the Columbian/ Cascade books and it's really not right, clearly the average "blacktail" in that area is more muley. Set the line if frigging stone and leave it for 100 years and stop messing around with it. My only other gripe regarding this subject are guys hunting clearly outside boundaries where they shouldn't be, but that applies to any season, so I guess that points not worth stating.

[Red Dawg]

I think what the difference is between goldendale area bucks more than anything is habitat. Its way better than the wet side of the mountains. I know the area well and I have seen mule deer on a couple of occasions but to say that the majority of the population has mule deer genes is not right. I agree that they cannot be called blacktail but the deer in the area are definitely more blacktail than muledeer. That changes drastically as a whole when you start moving east and north of 388. I dont really care what they called because a big buck is a big buck.

[PolarBear]

More attention needs to be payed to the individual animal and it's physical characteristics and not it's location.  Just because a buck is shot on the either side of the "line" does not automatically make it a certain breed of deer.  The same goes with Roosevelt and Rocky elk.  Like was said before , there are far too many folks stretching the truth about the species of deer because of where it was taken in order to get it in the record books or try and make it seem more impressive than it really is!  I think that is the bottom line of this goofball discussion!

[Dmanmastertracker]

I think what the difference is between goldendale area bucks more than anything is habitat. Its way better than the wet side of the mountains. I know the area well and I have seen mule deer on a couple of occasions but to say that the majority of the population has mule deer genes is not right. I agree that they cannot be called blacktail but the deer in the area are definitely more blacktail than muledeer. That changes drastically as a whole when you start moving east and north of 388. I dont really care what they called because a big buck is a big buck.

 You will never convince me that Kapowsin industrial timberlands @ 45 deer per square mile confirmed by biologist's is less productive habitat than the Goldendale area, I disagree. I stand by my comment, bucks in that southern area are 50/50 at best. You encounter the exact same habitat as the Goldendale area all the way nearly to southern California, where those same deer are called mule deer, yet the coastal mountain range runs all the way to that point, which is MY point.

[FullDraw]

Littlebuf that polar bear comback was too funny

[littlebuf]

might as well..... i think where guys really get there panties in a bunch is when i guy shoots what he knows is a benchleg or a mulie and then calls it a blacktail to make it sound super impressive when really its a decent mule deer. what really gets me is the "blacktails" in northern cali and southern Oregon that get put in the same category as what we hunt here on the west side. those things are mulies

So if I read your statement correctly my buck is in fact a Blacktail.It was taken on the west side.


                             Mike





no dude you still dont get it. a line in the sand doesn't make a species. if i put a moose on this side of the mountains would it be a elk? or would a white tail then be a blacktail? what ever you need to tell your self to make you feel like super hunter go ahead, by the way nice mule deer

[Kowsrule30]

I've killed "BT" in the Cowichie unit... Along with "MD".... And all in between crossbreeds.... I've seen them all together and they didn't treat each other any differently because some are more "BT" then their "MD" brothers, sister's, cousins, ect....   They don't seem to "know they are different and shouldn't do it"..   It won't be long before there are no more true MD in WA if there are any at all.... Where I hunt they're not very many true MD.... So at what point is a "MD" considered a "BT" when it's taken on the east side???    

[rasbo]

this is why I only hunt whitetail in kapowsin to much drama

[singleshot12]

might as well..... i think where guys really get there panties in a bunch is when i guy shoots what he knows is a benchleg or a mulie and then calls it a blacktail to make it sound super impressive when really its a decent mule deer. what really gets me is the "blacktails" in northern cali and southern Oregon that get put in the same category as what we hunt here on the west side. those things are mulies

I've always thought it was very disrespectful to true northern blacktails to classify those wormy southern inbred deer as blacktail.
Sure hope that changes some day.

[270Shooter]

So was the deer smart?

[Houndhunter]

nice buck, couple pricks on the site you'll have to get used too. cascade blacktail means it could or does have some mulie in it right? so i dont get why this gets brought up

[PolarBear]

It was brought up because that buck is most if not all muley and is being passed off as a blacktail, plain and simple

[7mmfan]

You know... why does it even matter? We looked at the picture and saw that it has a mule deer tail, so its a mule deer... and it was shot on the west side.... We're all intelligent enough to know that a line on the map does not make deer a blacktail or a muledeer.  What I don't get is why so many people have to raise such a big stink about this? The guy shot a nice deer during an open season, be happy for him! Quit trying to belittle the guys deer and move on 

[Dmanmastertracker]

nice buck, couple pricks on the site you'll have to get used too. cascade blacktail means it could or does have some mulie in it right? so i dont get why this gets brought up

 No, that is not what it means. Go to the Washington State record book if you can get a copy, it will tell you pretty much all you need to know. The only thing Cascade blacktail means in this State is a deer located within a set, clearly defined boundary that runs up to the cascade crest from the west side. We are getting way too wrapped up about individual deer on this one, that is not what this is about, it's about clarifying the definition of Cascade blacktail. I don't even recall that Tracker labeled his deer a Cascade blacktail . I'm not talking about blacktail in general, there are Columbians and Western blacktail as well in the State, all of which reside in the Cascades, not the same thing and a different boundary altogether.