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300 inch muzzy buck out of Oregon
« on: December 15, 2009, 07:13:49 PM »
Found this on another site:


Lucky hunter takes a 300 inch cactus buck in Oregon with his muzzleloader!

 A friend of mine from Oregon called a said this buck unofficially scores 301 gross.  What a pig and congrats to the lucky hunter.  It could be the second largest buck ever killed with a muzzleloader.   Arnold Sandoval’s is the largest that I know of.  It was harvested in Nevada.  I believe it scored around 304 gross and was 35 inches wide.


« Last Edit: December 15, 2009, 07:22:13 PM by 509er »
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Re: 300 inch muzzy buck out of Oregon
« Reply #1 on: December 15, 2009, 07:15:00 PM »
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Re: 300 inch muzzy buck out of Oregon
« Reply #2 on: December 15, 2009, 07:19:51 PM »
 :yike: is right, somebody must have been feeding that thing creatine powder instead of  deer cocaine or salt. The Medusa buck!

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Re: 300 inch muzzy buck out of Oregon
« Reply #3 on: December 15, 2009, 07:22:41 PM »
That is one ugly ass deer :o

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Re: 300 inch muzzy buck out of Oregon
« Reply #4 on: December 15, 2009, 07:33:48 PM »
so is that a recent pic? when it says "cactus buck" is that one of those deer that have had there genitals damaged and never sheds its antlers? that thing is crazy no matter
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Re: 300 inch muzzy buck out of Oregon
« Reply #5 on: December 15, 2009, 07:38:48 PM »
I believe the article was dated 12-9-09
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Re: 300 inch muzzy buck out of Oregon
« Reply #6 on: December 15, 2009, 07:51:48 PM »
I say photo cropped...One, that deer is not a cactus buck. A cactus bucks antlers will look like 2 cactus growing from his head. Not branched, and why is it just now being posted if that deer was killed around August,or early September with the velvet still on the antlers..Plus it looks like it has been mounted, so I would put it from at least last year at the earliest..

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Re: 300 inch muzzy buck out of Oregon
« Reply #7 on: December 15, 2009, 07:56:44 PM »
hunterman...you're not correct on either point you made. cactus bucks grow all sorts of crazy stuff on their heads and they never shed their velvet. that deer could be in full velvet in january if it was a cactus buck.
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Re: 300 inch muzzy buck out of Oregon
« Reply #8 on: December 15, 2009, 07:58:14 PM »
Whatever it is, it's ugly!  And I feel sorry for the guy who shot it...

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Re: 300 inch muzzy buck out of Oregon
« Reply #9 on: December 15, 2009, 08:01:55 PM »
I dont know anything about this buck...but...

its not mounted...u can see the eye lids bulging from his hand pressure...just a cape with skull still inside...

Lots of bucks with jacked up genetics (good or bad) dont shed velvet...

same thing happens with Does with horns!

if that is real...its a tremendous buck!

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Re: 300 inch muzzy buck out of Oregon
« Reply #10 on: December 15, 2009, 08:04:41 PM »
Well jackalope I'm just speaking from what I've seen.. The antlers looked like cactus, and had no velvet on them.. Butthen I must admitt that I don't know everything on deer. After all, I've only killed a few :chuckle:

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Re: 300 inch muzzy buck out of Oregon
« Reply #11 on: December 15, 2009, 08:07:13 PM »
hunterman...you're not correct on either point you made. cactus bucks grow all sorts of crazy stuff on their heads and they never shed their velvet. that deer could be in full velvet in january if it was a cactus buck.


I agree.  I have pictures of several cactus bucks with configurations like this..Its real.
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Re: 300 inch muzzy buck out of Oregon
« Reply #12 on: December 15, 2009, 08:10:08 PM »
WOOOOOOOOW Now there be some rackage :drool:

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Re: 300 inch muzzy buck out of Oregon
« Reply #13 on: December 15, 2009, 08:10:28 PM »
Heres another..

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Re: 300 inch muzzy buck out of Oregon
« Reply #14 on: December 15, 2009, 08:41:33 PM »
no disrespect intended, hunterman. you've likely killed a lot more deer than me...just saying that what you said about cactus bucks is not correct. the pics yelp posted show what cactus bucks can look like. always in velvet. no testosterone production because of no balls...no testosterone, no shedding is the way i understand it.
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Re: 300 inch muzzy buck out of Oregon
« Reply #15 on: December 15, 2009, 08:53:20 PM »
Im with hunterman, what i know as a cactus buck is a deer with giant lumps for antlers, no forks, jsut a giant spike esentially. as far as what others are refering to as a cactus buck as in always in velvet beacuse of no balls, is what i have known as a stag, or queer deer :chuckle: thats just how i learned it, not trying to cause trouble. eaither way thats one heck of a deer.

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Re: 300 inch muzzy buck out of Oregon
« Reply #16 on: December 16, 2009, 07:08:10 AM »
A cactus buck is any buck that does not shed his velvet, allowing him to continuosly grow antler. A lot of these deer (but not all) will look like a cactus and that is where the name came from. This deer may have looked like a cactus in the future, They guessed him to be 3-1/2 years old. And he's not mounted, he was killed just a couple of weeks ago by a very serious, hard hunting guy.

I agree he's ugly, but I don't care. I'd love to have him on my wall.

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Re: 300 inch muzzy buck out of Oregon
« Reply #17 on: December 16, 2009, 07:12:15 AM »
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Re: 300 inch muzzy buck out of Oregon
« Reply #18 on: December 16, 2009, 08:58:07 AM »
 :yike: gnar bangar. cactas bucks can shed the velvet. most dont though. i dont know why they are called cactus but i know it has nothing to do with there antlers. the can even have balls. its caused by a imbalance in testosterone usualy caused by testicular injury or genetic birth defect. some she there antlers every few years. others never shed.

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Re: 300 inch muzzy buck out of Oregon
« Reply #19 on: December 16, 2009, 09:04:54 AM »
http://www.kingsoutdoorworld.com/feature/cactus-bucks.shtml

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This January I was sitting alongside a Sonora saguaro scanning some desert canyons for rutting muleys. The region holds a good number of mature bucks, but unfortunately there is a blemish in their genes and finding a good, deep-forked four-point can be tricky. However, I don’t dwell on this minor flaw; these desert bucks possess unique antler characteristics, heavy mass and abnormal points. This one particular morning I knew I had found something extraordinary. A solid three-point buck, well beyond his prime, was approaching a group of deer. With his nose on the ground like a bloodhound, the ol’ rutting buck looked spellbound. I steadied my tripod, knowing that at any moment the monarch of this small herd would come into view and rightfully teach the intruder a quick lesson. A new buck moved out from within the herd, feeding eagerly as he ignored the trespasser’s presence. This buck’s burrs were exceptionally heavy, velvet-covered, and resembled a cholla cactus, a typical large two-point frame with a handful of two to four-inch points. “Nick,” I whispered, pulling a cactus spine from my ankle, “I found a good one.” Nick, an Arizonan native, has spent countless hours looking for big bucks in the area. After I pointed the buck’s location, Nick quickly shared with me that I had found a local legend named “Ghost.” Nick had never personally seen this buck before, but had heard many a story about him from other hunters.

Ghost was a “cactus” buck. He was not interested in breeding. His behavior and physique were doe-like, unlike the engorged buck who watched Ghost - puzzled at his passive reaction to his rude intrusion on his herd. It was comical to watch the rutting buck nervously looking behind at Ghost each time he would attempt to mount a doe. Ghost never lifted his head from the succulent forbs that covered the desert canyon. Later that morning, I got within 48 yards from Ghost with my bow drawn back, but I was never presented with a good shot.

What is a “cactus” buck? Every year, we see pictures of deer that have bizarre, velvet-covered antlers that have a mass of knobby points and abnormally heavy bases. These are the type of deer usually known as cactus bucks. There has been a great deal of research done on what causes a deer to grow such an uncontrollable glob of velvet and I believe you’ll find the results interesting.

Velvet is an extension of skin that covers the growing antlers. Throughout the growing period, blood carries nutrients to the antlers via the velvet. Mineralization of antlers and a decrease of blood supply due to rising testosterone levels trigger velvet shedding. Testosterone is the hormone that dominates antler growth. In several studies, testosterone was artificially injected into deer during the antler-growing stage. The bucks reacted to the testosterone by shedding the velvet from the antlers before the blood supply had stopped. Have you ever noticed the last bucks to shed their velvet are the yearling bucks and the regressed old-aged bucks? Now you know why, they produce less testosterone than bucks in their prime.

So what do testosterone levels have to do with cactus bucks? Well, everything.

In most cactus buck documentations, a buck had the misfortune to turn “himself” into an “it.” The buck’s testes, the major testosterone producer, may have been left on a barbwire fence line or seriously injured in any number of ways. These castrations continuously result in “cactus” formation antlers with permanent velvet.

The effect of castration on antler development varies, depending on the age class of the deer and the stage of antler growth when the castration occurs. If a young fawn is castrated within the first few months, that deer will not develop pedicles and therefore never develop antlers. Older fawns that have been castrated have been documented of growing a permanent, small, knob-like mass of velvet. If an adult buck is castrated during antler growth and in the velvet, the lack of testosterone allows the velvet antlers to continue growing, omitting the velvet shedding stage and total ossification of antler. These antlers may go on growing for a long period of time creating large cactus racks. These antlers will not shed in the spring. However, it has been reported that in freezing climates the moisture enveloped inside these velvet-covered antlers freezes and parts of the antlers break off. I believe this is why we see so many large cactus bucks in mild weather areas. The antlers are able to continue growing and growing without breaking. Arizona, Southern Utah, and New Mexico are prime examples of mild winter range country and large cactus bucks. A buck with fully-developed, hard antlers that is castrated will shed his antlers soon after the occurrence. With little or no testosterone, the buck takes part in the same shed antler cycle as an intact buck but in a quicker period of time. The low testosterone levels retard protein transfer and assists in erosion between the antler and pedicel. The castrated buck’s antlers will drop within a few weeks. The following year the buck may produce another set of antlers that will remain velvet-covered and permanent. It has been reported in Columbian blacktails, that old-aged bucks that were castrated shed their antlers and never developed another set of antlers.

Many deer are thought to be cactus bucks until closer examination. The unique cactus feature can also be found on another strange deer phenomenon. The potential for antler development may also occur in female deer. Many of these females are still fertile and have been observed lactating with offspring. The antlers are formed by short-term increases of growth hormones. Usually these antlered females cannot produce testosterone to complete the antler cycle, as a result, the antlers remain soft and often permanent, similar to a cactus buck’s antlers. It doesn’t take much to put some antlers on a female’s head, one minuscule dose of testosterone is sufficient to stimulate the growth of a pedicle. Other female deer have grown antlers if their ovarian functions are chemically disabled. Have you ever had a run in with an antlered doe? Send a reply and give me a heads up. Biologists know little about deer that are afflicted with this condition.

It’s only been a month since I stumbled across Ghost but it feels like a year. Now, I crawl slowly across the urban congestion performing my everyday jobs. During my commute from the driver’s window, if the evening rays strike the slopes just right, I can see Ghost’s haunt. I imagine he is still hanging in the shadows with the does. All the other bucks are thin, hungry, and wounded from fierce battles. Not Ghost, his physique is healthy and energized. December I’ll be back on my rocky perch with high anticipation that ghost is still alive and well, with an even more impressive collection of mass and points.

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Re: 300 inch muzzy buck out of Oregon
« Reply #20 on: December 16, 2009, 09:10:45 AM »
As a curious note for deer lore.....there were a group of men that ran around in Utah in the late 50's and early 60's that liked to capture bucks and chop off their testes.  Bored I guess, or htey knew they were creating things.  Anyways, there were a pile of Cactus bucks from Utah in that time frame. 

Thank God, deer don't have the samed warped sense of humor and throw down on us and snip snip. 

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Re: 300 inch muzzy buck out of Oregon
« Reply #21 on: December 16, 2009, 09:57:14 AM »
As a curious note for deer lore.....there were a group of men that ran around in Utah in the late 50's and early 60's that liked to capture bucks and chop off their testes.  Bored I guess, or htey knew they were creating things.  Anyways, there were a pile of Cactus bucks from Utah in that time frame. 

Thank God, deer don't have the samed warped sense of humor and throw down on us and snip snip. 

Two crazy (literally) old timers used to go out rope and hogtie grizzleys in Idaho and do the same thing back in the early 1900's...  Forget their names but you better have a dam good and steady roping horse to pull that one off!

And yeah Jackelope and Yelp are both correct in what they say... Cactus bucks don't shed their velvet, I've never seen one that anyone harvested that wasn't in velvet.

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Re: 300 inch muzzy buck out of Oregon
« Reply #22 on: December 16, 2009, 10:52:26 AM »
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Re: 300 inch muzzy buck out of Oregon
« Reply #23 on: December 16, 2009, 12:33:10 PM »
Found this on another site:


Lucky hunter takes a 300 inch cactus buck in Oregon with his muzzleloader!

 A friend of mine from Oregon called a said this buck unofficially scores 301 gross.  What a pig and congrats to the lucky hunter.  It could be the second largest buck ever killed with a muzzleloader.   Arnold Sandoval’s is the largest that I know of.  It was harvested in Nevada.  I believe it scored around 304 gross and was 35 inches wide.

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If your talking about Mule Deer then Thats probably true. :dunno:  But there was that very well publisized Lovstuen Buck that went 307 5/8 with a Muzzle Loader.

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Re: 300 inch muzzy buck out of Oregon
« Reply #24 on: December 16, 2009, 12:35:05 PM »
I say photo cropped...One, that deer is not a cactus buck. A cactus bucks antlers will look like 2 cactus growing from his head. Not branched, and why is it just now being posted if that deer was killed around August,or early September with the velvet still on the antlers..Plus it looks like it has been mounted, so I would put it from at least last year at the earliest..

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Re: 300 inch muzzy buck out of Oregon
« Reply #25 on: December 16, 2009, 04:29:14 PM »
Here are a few field photos of that Oregon buck. The E-Mail said it was taken in the Desert Unit in Oregon. :dunno:

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Re: 300 inch muzzy buck out of Oregon
« Reply #26 on: December 16, 2009, 04:42:51 PM »
Woah...that's messed up for sure!  :o   But I like!
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Re: 300 inch muzzy buck out of Oregon
« Reply #27 on: December 16, 2009, 04:51:20 PM »
Pretty cool.  Like was said before; dimes to donuts he's missing some equipment... :yike:
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Re: 300 inch muzzy buck out of Oregon
« Reply #28 on: December 16, 2009, 04:54:24 PM »
Definitely a later season cactus buck... check out the haircoat.  That's no August/september hair coat.  Its a cactus buck, you can never tell what freak of nature horns they're gonna grow!

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Re: 300 inch muzzy buck out of Oregon
« Reply #29 on: December 16, 2009, 05:06:13 PM »
Oregon has a couple very desireable late season muzzleloader rut hunts.(winter range) This buck was most likley killed somewhere down near Fort Rock or the surrounding area. A few years back a Muzzleloader Hunter killed a 203" typical on that hunt. It was the Muzzleloader world record for a few days till somebody shot one in Idaho that was a couple inches bigger. :twocents:

I would have shot that buck! I think it's a stud! :twocents:

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Re: 300 inch muzzy buck out of Oregon
« Reply #30 on: December 16, 2009, 07:53:56 PM »
WOW GOOD JOB :drool:
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Re: 300 inch muzzy buck out of Oregon
« Reply #31 on: December 16, 2009, 08:36:51 PM »
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I would have shot that buck! I think it's a stud!

odds are it's far from a stud. more like a stag.

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Re: 300 inch muzzy buck out of Oregon
« Reply #32 on: December 16, 2009, 08:47:32 PM »
There is no Desert Unit in Oregon.

 


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