E-collar or tracking collar?

[LLEWELLIN]

Just remember that the ecollar is just an invisible check cord for all intents and purposes. For it to be effective the pup must thoroughly know the proper response to the command you are giving before the ecollar is used for reinforcement. With my pup and the here command I had him coming everytime while on the checkcord before transferring to the ecollar. Only took a couple of stims on low level with the ecollar and now i just put on the collar and he is completely compliant.

[arintime]

I have been using a check cord for a couple weeks now and she does listen 80%-90% of the time. It is when she doesn't have the "connection" at home that she gets farther out and doesn't seem to hear anything when I call her. I am still working on the check cord and will continue to get her better before I start the transfer to the e-collar.

[LLEWELLIN]

When training with the check cord obedience is not an option, give the here or come command if pup doesn't obey haul it in with the check cord. Let pup out and repeat command same as above, you may only want to  do it 3 or 4 times a session, do not let pup get bored, and this all takes time. Never give the command unless you can reinforce it with the check cord.  You should only start transferring to ecollar when pup comes 100% on check cord.

[Shannon]

If you can afford them get both. The Astro is great if your hunting high cover and your dog ranges like a pointer should. The e-collar is a must IMO. If I had to choose one it would be the e-collar but hunting in corn, high sage, high crp I always use the Astro. I want to know when my dog is on point and where he is at and I don't want to listen to a beeper or bell all day.
Your killing me without any pictures. When can we see the pup?

[arintime]

LLEWELLIN, I am hoping to be 100% soon to start the transfer to e-collar but I am not in any hurry at all. I want her to be 100% reliable on the cord and we are practicing daily, especially with the rain they have been short sessions. The 10%-20% of not obeying is when I command here a second or third time but then she comes. I don't have to haul her in so I know we are getting close.

Shannon, I know, I gotta get some pics up! Bella is 5 months about 43lbs and bearded. Generally though, she is pretty smooth. I'll try again.

[LLEWELLIN]

Not to sound harsh but there should not be a second or third time. Give command if not obeyed haul the pup in with the cord. Especially with the here command there can be no option other than obeying. You are training the pup to come on command without hesitation.

[hoyt77]

I trained mt pup first with all her commands and hand signals. Till she obey what i asked after months of that I move to a e-collar so that when she in the field (I have a 1.5yr old brittany or pocket rocket). More to help control her when she gets overly excited. You don't need a gps for an upland dog. All you need is good training