Illegal to feed big game animals??

[ICEMAN]

Thank you Billythekidrock.  Nicely written.

I agree.

Billy, I went back and reread your thoughts, and I agree with them totally. Often here on this board, I find myself thinking "screw that guy....or who cares about that issue...". But when you look at the bigger picture, you are totally right. We do need to stick together on these issues.  I encourage all readers to reread Billy's post and think about the long term.

Where as a group do we want to be in ten years? In Thirty years?

[billythekidrock]

Well I guess my ethics are different then yours !!

We could go back and forth all month about which methods are ethical and which are not so I will just say that, hunters should be willing to give the animal the advantage in every situation !!

Just because something is or was legal does not make it right or ethical in my book.
 

So are you saying I am un-ethical? Who's ethics are right? Mine? Yours? The tribes?
That kind of thinking is why it is against the law to bait bears, chase cougars with dogs and why we can't use legholds.

Is this the attitude you want rifle hunters to have when PETA and HSUS come after archery? Don't be fooled. Archery is on the radar.

Right now hand calls and electronic calls are legal for bears and predators. Did you know that you can use an electric call for elk as well? They are looking to ban electronics period in WA. How will they do it? By "streamlining" the laws. Using an Ecall is against the law for deer so why not elk? Once it is against the law for elk they will "streamline" the rules to make it against the law for bears, cougars and yotes. Once Ecalls are illegal, how long before all calls are illegal.
This is not the HSUS or PETA, this is your WDFW.

Wouldn't you want to let your future kids and grandkids have the option of hunting and fishing?
Right now they will never know the enjoyment of checking a trapline with their father or grandfather because outdoorsmen did not band together and help the trappers.
What else are they going to miss out on?

[billythekidrock]

Ice, Palmer - Thanks.

[robodad]

I agree with you about us as hunters banding together to fight against further PETA regulation and No I was absolutely not calling you unethical, I am just taking the animals point of view on this one,

So are you saying I am un-ethical? Who's ethics are right? Mine? Yours? The tribes?

That is a good question, and we will never know the answer to it, everyone has a different point of view on these topics, I did not call anyone's ethics into question I simply stated that your ethics are different then mine and I don't think I should have to support something that I think as unethical I am not trying to make anything illegal I am just saying that if it were illegal it wouldn't bother me.

That kind of thinking is why it is against the law to bait bears, chase cougars with dogs and why we can't use legholds.

I think these methods are inhumane so it is fine with me that they are illegal.



I realize that we have a different point of view on this subject and would entertain some ideas as to why I am wrong and you are right, Look at this from the animals point of view and tell me a leg hold snare is the way you want your life to come to an end or run like hell scared for your life while a pack of dogs is after you till you are so out of breath that you have to climb a tree to rest and wait for a "hunter" to put you out of your misery.

I choose to hunt these animals using the skills I have learned and not have a dog pack do my hunting for me or a snare set up to catch an animal in and then have to struggle for its life until I get there to end it, I just don't think it is right.

They are looking to ban electronics period in WA

That would be fine with me, What skills are you using when you turn on an electronic caller ??

It should be us as hunters putting these methods aside and giving the animals a better chance, (Level the playing field if you will)

 

[Outfitter]

 :dunno:You must still hunt with a hatchet . Anything else would be unethical.

[Ray]

What skills are you using with a gun for that matter.

[WDFW-SUX]

 

[WAcoyotehunter]

I agree with you about us as hunters banding together to fight against further PETA regulation and No I was absolutely not calling you unethical, I am just taking the animals point of view on this one,


I think these methods are inhumane so it is fine with me that they are illegal.

I hope you keep the rest of us in mind when you vote...You hit quite a few nerves with that lame ass statement.   Wait until the Anti's decide that bowhunting is inhumane...it's fine with them if it's illegal.   

[MountainWalk]

there must be, and there always is, some form of compromise in all things...i think we must police  within our ranks.. 

[MountainWalk]

to me,, someone unwilling to compromise ANY thing, is the least deserving.. it brings to my mind the story of king solomon who suggested cutting the child in half so both parties could have equal...

[WAcoyotehunter]

I realize that we have a different point of view on this subject and would entertain some ideas as to why I am wrong and you are right, Look at this from the animals point of view and tell me a leg hold snare is the way you want your life to come to an end or run like hell scared for your life while a pack of dogs is after you till you are so out of breath that you have to climb a tree to rest and wait for a "hunter" to put you out of your misery.

I choose to hunt these animals using the skills I have learned and not have a dog pack do my hunting for me or a snare set up to catch an animal in and then have to struggle for its life until I get there to end it, I just don't think it is right.

It should be us as hunters putting these methods aside and giving the animals a better chance, (Level the playing field if you will)

How many hound hunts have you been on?   You're totally clueless about the how the dogs work and tree game.  You ( and all the anti hunting bottom dwellers) have visions of the game being chased in hot pursuit and the dogs almost catching the game before they tree...WRONG.  The game generally climbs the tree to get the heck out of the way of the loud dogs that appear to be getting pretty close. It's pretty obviuos you don't know what you're talking about.   After you've followed a pack of dogs for a weekend in the nastiest country you've ever seen, without seeing any game (which is usually the case) you come back on here and give me your rightous BS.

I suspose you're against bird hunting with a dog too?  Gimme a break...

[Awesome]

Excuse me for being so bold but this thread appears to have lost it's original subject and gone astray. Ya'll sure have a variety of opinions. As for the original subject, It seems like  feeding any game animal for the sole purpose of providing subsistence is perfectly legal and ethical. However if/when you start feeding them with the intent to kill over the feed then specific laws are in place to control those actions.

[popeshawnpaul]

Ok ok, now I think this is getting a bit out of hand.  He simply gave an opinion on where he thinks the line in the sand should be drawn.  It's not like he slapped your sister or did something personally against you.  Robo certainly isn't an "anti-hunter" or a tree hugger.  Possibly he is not as informed as he could be about certain types of hunting like hounding.  I can say I'm not fully informed on the process.  However, I'm also not forming an opinion on that style of hunting either...

While I'm not out there baiting deer every year...I'm certainly not saying someone else can't.  It doesn't affect my hunting experience.  The issue of ethics becomes a personal one and we all need to consider where to draw the line at some point.

I use to hunt my uncle's apple orchard for deer.  They would come in to feed on them.  Was I baiting?  I didn't put the apples there.  Bear came in too and we hunted them.  Is it ok to hunt the deer but not the bear?  It was a big commercial orchard.  I don't feel like I was doing anything unethical.  Don't you get that "feeling" when you aren't quite doing something the right way?  That's kind of where I draw the line.

Shawn

[Skyvalhunter]

Everyone will have their different views on where the line should be drawn. If it is illegal in the rules then it shouldn't be done. But none of the holier than thou attitudes need to be thrown in either. Think we have exhausted this subject.

[Coasthunterjay]

Think we have exhausted this subject.

couldnt have said it better myself!