What happend to the alkali unit?

[Pathfinder101]

I was under the impression that the flies or knats were biting the tongue and the tongue would swell up & turning blue so they couldn't eat or drink, and ultimately starve.  But same source - stagnant water source during dry years.  often affects the antelope as well as the deer.

That could be, maybe I misunderstood.  I thought they suffocated.

[bucksnort]

Where are you getting the info on the new"quality HUnts".  Do they have them on the wdfw web site?

[trophyhunt]

Where are you getting the info on the new"quality Hunts".  Do they have them on the wdfw web site?

go to the wdfw hunting page, see the hunting regulations development box at the top and click on the draft regulation for 2010 and 2011 hunting seasons. After that click on CR-102 below the Game Regulations title. Scroll down to see all the info. Sorry I'm not computer savvy enough to pick the site up for you.

[bobcat]

http://wdfw.wa.gov/about/regulations/2010/wsr_10-04-125.pdf

[wackmaster]

They did a fly by and only counted 250 deer three years ago there used to be 800 deer some of the problem is hair loss

[boneaddict]

First of all Blue tongue is caused by a virus, not gnats.   The animals get a fever and go to water, where they die and spread teh disease even further in the bad water.  Obviously drought years are the worse.   The yakima firing center isn't affected much by it becasue most of its water is moving, not stagnant.

The indians.........as far as I know its only legal for them to hunt area 6, NOT the rest of the firing center.  6 is but one area of the whole center. 

The fact they decimated it this year with TOO MANY permits might have something to do with it.

As for archery.  I'd challenge anyone to try to arrow a buck out there in September.   

[Pathfinder101]

First of all Blue tongue is caused by a virus, not gnats.   The animals get a fever and go to water, where they die and spread teh disease even further in the bad water.  Obviously drought years are the worse.   The yakima firing center isn't affected much by it becasue most of its water is moving, not stagnant.

The indians.........as far as I know its only legal for them to hunt area 6, NOT the rest of the firing center.  6 is but one area of the whole center. 

The fact they decimated it this year with TOO MANY permits might have something to do with it.

As for archery.  I'd challenge anyone to try to arrow a buck out there in September.   

Good info.  Thanx Bone.

[colockumelk]

I have been drawn there twice and knew the indian hunting would start to take it's toll but I'm supprised to see the rifle tags drop so low with the archery staying so high? It just doesn't make sense, as far as indians hunting it, just like everywhere else what the f can we do???

It makes perfect sense.  The rifle tag is during the rut.  It's basically a guaranteed tag.  All five of those guys will get their deer.  The Archery hunt is in September and it's WIDE OPEN.  Out of those 50 tags only 5-10 guys will get their deer.

You see part of how the WDFW bases how many tags they will give out for each hunting method is based off of the success %.  If the success % is only 10% then they give out 10X more tags than animals they want killed.  If the success % is 50% than they give out 2x the amount of tags than animals they want killed. 

Bone is right.  It's because they gave out WAY too many permits last year.  And yes the Indians have also added to the problems.

[Viszla]

Bone is right.  It's because they gave out WAY too many permits last year.  And yes the Indians have also added to the problems.

Yeah that.

Seems that there are many other areas with the same problem.

[Romulus]

If the population numbers is the problem they should quit giving out doe permits.

[luvtohnt]

Actually bone, and pathfinder and whacker are all partially correct. Here is some info on Blue tongue. Link is included.

BTV infection occurs in both wild and domestic ruminants/camelids from the bite of the vector midge of the genus Culicoides.  The Culicoides vector infects most species during mid-summer to early fall when it is most active. 

http://www.addl.purdue.edu/newsletters/2002/spring/bluetongue.shtml

Another good read.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluetongue_disease

Other than that the hair loss has been a problem for some time, but after seeing the drastic increase in tags last year I would assume that is the sole reason for the decreased season this year. There may be something with the quality units having to do with not only timing but the number of permits as to reduce pressure? Just a couple random thoughts.

Brandon

[billythekidrock]

You Racist!

Your an idiot, what the F is racist about what he said?? When you get a little older and wiser while spending more time in the woods, you'll understand a little more about indian issues.

lol

Jokes on you trophy!

[pat2bear]

If the population numbers is the problem they should quit giving out doe permits.

[Pathfinder101]

If the population numbers is the problem they should quit giving out doe permits.

Overall population may not be the problem.  It may be the buck-to-doe ratio.

[colockumelk]

If the population numbers is the problem they should quit giving out doe permits.

Not necessarily.  Just like someone said it depends on the buck to doe ratio.  One of the things that pisses me off the most about WDFW is this.  Every biologist and person who manages game populations knows that the health of a herd does not necessarily mean high numbers.  Every responsible wildlife manager knows that you manage for a buck:doe ratio.  For instance if you have a buck to doe ratio of 1:15 (like some places in WA) then you have a bunch of does that do not get bred and are a drag on the herd because all they do is eat vital winter feed.  The average mature buck will only breed 5-8 does a year.  This is why most states try to manage for a buck to doe ratio of 1:5. 

Despite this the WDFW seems to manage for overall numbers so they can claim good herd growth.  When in reality herds like the Colockum are very unhealthy.  Take for instance the mature bull to cow ratio is 3:100.  If you add spikes to the mix that number is 5:100.  Wildlife Bio's say that the Mature bull (3.5 or older) to cow ratio should be 15:100.  So basically the Colockum herd is 5x lower than what it should be.  BUT...... the WDFW claims the Colockum herd isn't that bad because the overall numbers are almost where their goal is. 


So to end my long rant.  When it comes to proper managment the WDFW does a dismall job.  Oh BTW yes the Yakima Elk herd does have a bull:cow ratio of 15:100 but the WDFW cheats this number by counting spikes in that number.