Response to the East Side Permit Only Idea.

[colockumelk]

For those that do not know.  Like always during the off-season we need something to piss and moan about.  It's also a good time to talk and debate about topics that are important to us.  As always we know that our current elk managment system on the east side is broken.  So many of us have been debating what should be done.  So this poll is designed to show which of the four or five main ideas YOU think would work best. 

[rougheye]

Ther are some really good ideas here but if we want to be realistic , its really hard to think about this being a reality because i dont trust the wdfw to not screw it up as soon as we turn our back . Since i dont trust them i cant vote to take any opportunity away . I will just take what they give me and work my ass off to make the most of it until they can prove they want to manage the right way . Very good ideas though with the right people in higher places .

[bearpaw]

I don't see this option:

Half of the GMU's Permit only and the other half OTC. (You can apply for permit only GMU's and still hunt OTC that year)


You have a better chance of selling that idea to WDFW since it will raise more revenue by having far more applicants.

This way they get more permit application fees and still sell licenses.

[bobcat]

bearpaw, the increased hunting pressure would be terrible for the otc areas if they did it the way you suggest.

[sako223]

The Odd/Even idea is not quite spelled out correctly.

Example: Determined by last number of WILD ID for general season

2010 Deer/Odd   Elk/Even

2011 Deer/Even   Elk/Odd

Current draw system left intact with points allowing adjustments.
This guarantees big game hunting every year for each hunter plus draw, and freedom to hunt all but closed units.

[bearpaw]

bearpaw, the increased hunting pressure would be terrible for the otc areas if they did it the way you suggest.

That's basically already the way it is for OTC areas, and like colockum said, make the OTC fringe areas.

Quotas could be used to limit sales (if needed), bio's can figure that out.

[Elkaholic daWg]

  See other thread for my thoughts

[fisheral87]

IE you get drawn for branch bulls 3-4 times more often than you do now.

Not necessarily true. Statistically maybe. Not sure it should be in the survey question unless you are trying to swing it your way? That is the way it looks to me.

[bobcat]

I think the "being drawn 3-4 times more often" would be true as long as the number of applicants stayed the same. That's the unknown variable. You would think it would have to increase by some amount. Whether it would be significant or not, who knows. But I'd guess in the worst case, a person could expect to draw a bull tag at least twice as often as now. And when you do, your hunting experience would be so much better, with more elk and less hunters.

[high country]

if managment is the true necessity, just keep trimming the season back.....afterall what is 3 less days in a 9 day season?

[bearpaw]

yes, I think apps would increase...

[luvtohnt]

The Odd/Even idea is not quite spelled out correctly.

Example: Determined by last number of WILD ID for general season

2010 Deer/Odd   Elk/Even

2011 Deer/Even   Elk/Odd

Current draw system left intact with points allowing adjustments.
This guarantees big game hunting every year for each hunter plus draw, and freedom to hunt all but closed units.

Your personal selection would stay the same the only thing that woul dchange is the year. It would look more like this.

2010 deer/even   Elk/odd

2011 deer/even   Elk/odd

Brandon

[funkster]

The Odd/Even idea is not quite spelled out correctly.

Example: Determined by last number of WILD ID for general season

2010 Deer/Odd   Elk/Even

2011 Deer/Even   Elk/Odd

Current draw system left intact with points allowing adjustments.
This guarantees big game hunting every year for each hunter plus draw, and freedom to hunt all but closed units.

Your personal selection would stay the same the only thing that woul dchange is the year. It would look more like this.

2010 deer/even   Elk/odd

2011 deer/even   Elk/odd

Brandon

So what happens to the special permits? Do they just stay the way they are now?

[3dvapor]

increased revenue could be generated by non resident hunters also with a permit only system by them now only being forced to pay for hunting license and appl. fee.  especially when quality of hunting increases.  though 10percent fewer tags would go to residents.  other states have been robbing me for years

[bobcat]

Where do you get the 10% figure?