Backing the kids.....should I take shotty or rifle?

[hirshey]

how many times have you seen those videos or seen it personally that a gun shot actually get's a shock gobble?

Forgive my ignorance.. what is a shock gobble?

I've never had the opportunity to turkey hunt. Know where a boatload of them are, though!

[wapiti hunter2]

Whose hunt is it anyway?  Sounds like the kids are just baggage for your yote hunt.  If the hunt is for the kids than make it memorable for THEM.  If a yote comes close enough for one of them to shoot it, then let one of them shoot it.  The only objective for the hunt should be smiling   kids at the end of the day.  I agree with the others here that say leave your guns at home.

[wastickslinger]

I am also interested with what you would cite me for?  Name the violation, thanks.

I'd say they could get you under 77.15.400
Could be the unlawful hunting of a wild bird if the official was having a bad day.. it states:

(1) A person is guilty of unlawful hunting of wild birds in the second degree if the person:

     (a) Hunts for, takes, or possesses a wild bird and the person does not have and possess all licenses, tags, stamps, and permits required under this title;

     (b) Maliciously destroys, takes, or harms the eggs or nests of a wild bird except when authorized by permit;

     (c) Violates any rule of the commission or director regarding seasons, bag or possession limits but less than two times the bag or possession limit, closed areas, closed times, or other rule addressing the manner or method of hunting or possession of wild birds; or

     (d) Possesses a wild bird taken during a closed season for that wild bird or taken from a closed area for that wild bird.

They could cite you for "hunting for" if you possesed a firearm they deemed suitable for a turkey.


Again, good luck! Looking forward to the photos! Get them 'yotee dogs!

So according to your theory I could get cited for packing my .357 mag while on a walk during deer season if I dont have a deer tag? A .357 is suitable for deer.

I still say pack the rifle or none at all but I dont think they could nail you if you had a shotgun with buckshot, since you cant use buck shot for turkey, that would not be suitable for turkey. 

[hirshey]

I am also interested with what you would cite me for?  Name the violation, thanks.

I'd say they could get you under 77.15.400
Could be the unlawful hunting of a wild bird if the official was having a bad day.. it states:

(1) A person is guilty of unlawful hunting of wild birds in the second degree if the person:

     (a) Hunts for, takes, or possesses a wild bird and the person does not have and possess all licenses, tags, stamps, and permits required under this title;

     (b) Maliciously destroys, takes, or harms the eggs or nests of a wild bird except when authorized by permit;

     (c) Violates any rule of the commission or director regarding seasons, bag or possession limits but less than two times the bag or possession limit, closed areas, closed times, or other rule addressing the manner or method of hunting or possession of wild birds; or

     (d) Possesses a wild bird taken during a closed season for that wild bird or taken from a closed area for that wild bird.

They could cite you for "hunting for" if you possesed a firearm they deemed suitable for a turkey.


Again, good luck! Looking forward to the photos! Get them 'yotee dogs!

So according to your theory I could get cited for packing my .357 mag while on a walk during deer season if I dont have a deer tag? A .357 is suitable for deer.

I still say pack the rifle or none at all but I dont think they could nail you if you had a shotgun with buckshot, since you cant use buck shot for turkey, that would not be suitable for turkey. 

If your walk included hanging out in camo and a blind, I'd say you'd have a good chance of getting cited.

[wastickslinger]

What if I am walking with my day and grandpa and i like to carry a pistol for protection. Do I have to carry a .22 now? I am not being an A** just trying to figure the logic.

If he has a weapon that is suitable for turkey but has loads for coyote(not leagal for turkey) how can they cite him. He can hunt coyotes all day long with a shotgun. I think its a stretch stating that they can cite him.

[hirshey]

What if I am walking with my day and grandpa and i like to carry a pistol for protection. Do I have to carry a .22 now? I am not being an A** just trying to figure the logic.

If he has a weapon that is suitable for turkey but has loads for coyote(not leagal for turkey) how can they cite him. He can hunt coyotes all day long with a shotgun. I think its a stretch stating that they can cite him.

I know its a stretch, I was just citing the potential. I'd rather not get bothered, personally. I don't like the "what if's" that could end in a court appearance.  . He asked under what regulation, I'm simply saying its possible.

The logic is there is a big difference between walking in the woods and sitting in a blind with decoys and camo. I didn't say he WOULD get cited.. but there may be an officer that could interpret the regulation not in favor of a hunter.

[wastickslinger]

What if I am walking with my day and grandpa and i like to carry a pistol for protection. Do I have to carry a .22 now? I am not being an A** just trying to figure the logic.

If he has a weapon that is suitable for turkey but has loads for coyote(not leagal for turkey) how can they cite him. He can hunt coyotes all day long with a shotgun. I think its a stretch stating that they can cite him.

I know its a stretch, I was just citing the potential. I'd rather not get bothered, personally. I don't like the "what if's" that could end in a court appearance.  . He asked under what regulation, I'm simply saying its possible.

The logic is there is a big difference between walking in the woods and sitting in a blind with decoys and camo. I didn't say he WOULD get cited.. but there may be an officer that could interpret the regulation not in favor of a hunter.

Agreed. There is plenty of room for interpretation.

[hirshey]

Agreed. There is plenty of room for interpretation.

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[Tom Tamer]

how many times have you seen those videos or seen it personally that a gun shot actually get's a shock gobble?

Forgive my ignorance.. what is a shock gobble?

I've never had the opportunity to turkey hunt. Know where a boatload of them are, though!

A shock gobble is an unexplained reactions from a tom, loud noises of many sorts can" Shock" or scare a Tom into gobbling. It's a reflex action. that's why you'll hear people talk about using crow calls or other looud calls to get a tom to gobble, giving away his location with out a hunter having to use a turkey call, which could get a turkey moving in your direction before you're ready.

[hirshey]

how many times have you seen those videos or seen it personally that a gun shot actually get's a shock gobble?

Forgive my ignorance.. what is a shock gobble?

I've never had the opportunity to turkey hunt. Know where a boatload of them are, though!

A shock gobble is an unexplained reactions from a tom, loud noises of many sorts can" Shock" or scare a Tom into gobbling. It's a reflex action. that's why you'll hear people talk about using crow calls or other looud calls to get a tom to gobble, giving away his location with out a hunter having to use a turkey call, which could get a turkey moving in your direction before you're ready.

I see! You learn something every day. Thank you!

[Wanttohuntmore]

Pack the 243 and don't worry about the game warden.  No sense in living in fear of a ticket when you know you're not violating any laws.  Heck, there are plenty of @holes that grab the shotgun from their kids and shoot the turkey as it is, so you packing a rifle isn't going to make you look like you're trying to hunt the turkeys.

20 yrs ago I bought a 22-250 so I could go out hunting yotes during deer season, and not be ticketed.  The way the law was written then, if you were out with a 243 or larger cal, you had to have un-notched tags in possession to be in the woods with a firearm.  They changed this about 7 yrs ago, so now it doesn't matter, but I still pack the 22-250 when yote hunting during modern season.  The point is, getting a ticket can really depend on the mood of the game warden, and fighting it depends on the judge and the wording of the law, and the ability of you or your attorney to communicate why you were not in violation of that law.

Have fun on the hunt, bring a camera and let us see some success "shots"!

[ICEMAN]

Thanks guys. If we get a bird (or dawg), we will post up some pics...

[Machias]

Thanks guys. If we get a bird (or dawg), we will post up some pics...

Good luck, to both of you!!!

[turkeydancer]

Yea Iceman ... have a great time with the kids ...

I only mentioned getting in touch with the game department to ensure you wouldn't be cited, because that can really ruin the trip. Game wardens have been know for citing people over the dumbest stuff -

Example: Some buddies spent hours packing their elk out, and were really sweaty and tired ... before getting in their truck to drive back to camp they took off their coats ... game warden was watching, pulled up and cited them for not wearing their hunter orange ... definitely ruined their trip, had to hire an attorney, and take vacation time from work to go fight it.

Before you head out, it's always best to send an e-mail to the department and get their reply in "writing, print it out, and have it with you.  Just might save you from a very unfortunate situation ... 

Again ... have a great time with the kids and best wishes for success ....