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The 768 dollar salmon....
« on: April 10, 2010, 11:23:10 AM »


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State on the hook for $768 for every salmon caught in Puget Sound
And audit revealed Puget Sound's popular blackmouth fishery costs $768 for every fish that's caught.

By Craig Welch

Seattle Times environment reporter

Puget Sound's popular blackmouth fishery — made possible by a complex system of hatcheries that produce and rear these plump young versions of chinook salmon — costs $768 for every fish that's caught.

That's a calculation made by the state Auditor's Office in an audit released Friday of the state's politically popular key winter fishery.

Each year the Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife produces hundreds of thousands of the juvenile salmon in hatcheries, then raises them for 14 months or more in ponds until they lose the instinct to migrate. Then the fish are released for fishermen to hook for sport.

But some of the same environmental conditions that helped push wild chinook onto the Endangered Species list — such as pollution and habitat loss from development — mean few of the young blackmouth live long enough to get snagged. And the many fishing restrictions imposed in response to the 1999 listing of wild chinook also scaled back chances for anglers to try to catch the hatchery chinook.

That means catch rates for blackmouth are such a fraction of what they once were that the state may produce 900 fish for every one an angler nets. And each of those 900 fish costs about 85 cents.

"They're expensive to raise — more expensive than most fish," said Heather Bartlett, hatcheries division manager for Fish and Wildlife. "And their survival lately hasn't been very good."

The auditor's performance review suggested the program was so inefficient it must be changed, a charge Bartlett's agency doesn't dispute.

But the program's goals were dictated by legislative edict in 1993 as a means to sustain and promote sport fishing in Puget Sound. It's paid for by license fees derived from saltwater anglers, money that is dedicated to improving fishing. So as salmon listings have curtailed other angling opportunities, there's been little political will to cut back blackmouth production.

"Fishing used to be open unless we closed it," said Jo Wadsworth, Fish and Wildlife's deputy assistant director for fish. "Now it's closed unless we open it. And this is a unique fishery because it is open in winter when many other things are not."

Sport fishermen on Friday were immediately wary. The audit calls on the Legislature to change the law to let hatcheries produce far fewer and far younger fish — juvenile chinook that cost only about 11 cents each.

But that could reduce even further the number of fish available to be caught. And that frustrates longtime fishermen.

"Has this program always worked right? No," said Clint Muns, with Puget Sound Anglers. "But I think we've made great strides. The department's commitment to hatchery reform is without question."



 Environmentalists, meanwhile, say the recommendation would be a step in the right direction, but they believe the auditor missed the key issue. They say blackmouth production should have been halted years ago because the large hatchery-bred fish are built tough and compete with threatened chinook for food.

"The financial issues absolutely must be considered," said Kurt Beardslee, with Wild Fish Conservation Northwest. "But I always hoped they would kill this program for biological reasons — not just because we can't afford it."

Fish and Wildlife officials have said they support the auditor's recommendations

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2011571859_fishaudit10m.html

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THE WASHINGTON DEPARTMENT OF FISH AND WILDLIFE SUCKS MORE THAN EVER..........

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Re: The 768 dollar salmon....
« Reply #1 on: April 10, 2010, 07:20:22 PM »
 Still an 85 cent fish, the fish that didn't make it back fed the precious sealions, harber seals, and orca, pluss lots of other creatures the wackos seem so found of. So without the black mouths wouldn't they be feeding heavier on the sacred wild fish. Maybe they should send HSUS a bill for $768 every time a sealion is confirmed to have eaten a blackmouth. 

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Environmentalists, meanwhile, say the recommendation would be a step in the right direction, but they believe the auditor missed the key issue. They say blackmouth production should have been halted years ago because the large hatchery-bred fish are built tough and compete with threatened chinook for food.

"The financial issues absolutely must be considered," said Kurt Beardslee, with Wild Fish Conservation Northwest. "But I always hoped they would kill this program for biological reasons — not just because we can't afford it."


  The end of fishing as we know it, use the wild fish to close the hatcheries, can't catch wild fish,...whats left :dunno: All part of the agenda, it'll only hurt for awhile, we'll soon forget that we used to be able to fish.

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Re: The 768 dollar salmon....
« Reply #2 on: April 11, 2010, 09:09:27 AM »
This is so disturbing I can't even comment .. can you say "Bass Ackwards" ?
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Re: The 768 dollar salmon....
« Reply #3 on: April 11, 2010, 09:32:47 AM »
One more step.  People don't seem to believe me that there is a real push inside the WA state government and WDFW to close down all hatcheries in Wa St.. 

I give it about 5 years before the initial closures go into effect (some closures have already been implemented) and 10 years for complete closure.  Tribal hatcheries funded by the dams will be the only hatcheries left.  As the only managed fish under the control of the state will be wild stock, mandatory closure of salmon and steelhead sportfishing will come next.

Tinfoil hat or not, the signs are dropping in place.

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Re: The 768 dollar salmon....
« Reply #4 on: April 12, 2010, 04:03:22 PM »
There never should of been hatcheries in the first place.
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Re: The 768 dollar salmon....
« Reply #5 on: April 12, 2010, 06:57:51 PM »
There never should of been hatcheries in the first place.
that's the entire truth there!

however i feel that we're stuck with them in many cases.  they aren't worth a damn for restoring depleted runs of fish...only for mitigating for lost harvest numbers(like when dams go in and block spawning areas).  there are some great hatchery programs that provide fisheries where none would be able to exist, as well as some really, totally worthless ones(like puyallup steelhead, less than 500 fish usually return from a plant of 200,000).

the unfortunate thing is that salmon and steelhead really aren't compatible with civilization, at least the way we've gone about it.  development, logging, pollution and overharvest have put most of the stocks in this state on their knees.  steelhead are a particularly sad case, even in our more pristine rivers that have no wild fish harvest allowed the numbers are still sliding downward.
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Re: The 768 dollar salmon....
« Reply #6 on: April 12, 2010, 08:46:12 PM »
I agree, the hatcheries are just a band-aid covering a much bigger problem.
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Re: The 768 dollar salmon....
« Reply #7 on: April 12, 2010, 11:24:44 PM »
  Yeah, but I do like to catch fish, my license dollars pay for(in theory) the fisheries. I am not allowed to fish for "wild" fish, so by shutting down hatcheries, what am I allowed to fish for now? Meanwhile my license dollars are being used to fund studies that recomend shutting down more hatcheries. So the hatcheries are now shut down, my license money is now used to fund more studies, studies that find other fisheries that need to be cut, so less fishing opportunity. Rivers are designated "wild fish sanctuaries", large tracts of coastline get locked up as "Marine Reserves", alpine lakes are poisoned to remove planted trout and return them to the dead glacial pools they once were. Sea lions and cormorants continue to decimate remaining runs of fish as they continure to increase in numbers under federal protection.  Why am I still buying a license ? Oh yeah somebody needs to fund the "studies". Our own money will be used to shut us down over time, instead of finding ways to increase fishing opportunity it is being used increasingly more to stop fishing. Wild fish are great and just knowing they exist gives me a warm fuzzy feeling, but bottom line is I am a fisherman, I do like to catch fish, fin or no fin.

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Re: The 768 dollar salmon....
« Reply #8 on: April 13, 2010, 09:16:24 AM »
I just don't get you guys who don't like the hatcheries.  Hatcheries are the best thing we can do to get fish numbers back up.  I can't see why anyone would argue against the sockeye hatchery on the cedar river, it should have been built ages ago.  Personally I don't care if I catch a wild fish or a hatchery fish.  They all taste the same and are fun to catch.  To hell with the wild fish I say.  Let's build some hatcheries and have some good fishin.

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Re: The 768 dollar salmon....
« Reply #9 on: April 14, 2010, 05:24:16 AM »
I just don't get you guys who don't like the hatcheries.  Hatcheries are the best thing we can do to get fish numbers back up.  I can't see why anyone would argue against the sockeye hatchery on the cedar river, it should have been built ages ago.  Personally I don't care if I catch a wild fish or a hatchery fish.  They all taste the same and are fun to catch.  To hell with the wild fish I say.  Let's build some hatcheries and have some good fishin.

This right here, unfortionatly the Green Bio's are putting so many restrictions on hatcheries that they are not as viable as they could be.  If the Fish culturists were allowed to do what they do best our rivers would be chock full of salmon and steelhead.

"wild fish" in "many" rivers today are just unclipped hatchery fish or the offspring of hatchery fish that spawned "natural".  Case in point would be the Methow river salmon and steelhead runs.  The "wild fish" are offspring of Carson Hatchery stock.  It's not about fish its about power and control.

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Re: The 768 dollar salmon....
« Reply #10 on: April 14, 2010, 07:45:58 AM »
Don't allow netting of the rivers and that price tag would change significantly and it would bring an abundance of fish back.  Allow thinning of the sea lions and seals in non-salt water tributaries.  Two easy staps to make the fish return in great numbers.
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Re: The 768 dollar salmon....
« Reply #11 on: April 14, 2010, 06:25:55 PM »
Oh Gawds!  but that makes waay too much common sense...gotta remember this state is bass-ackwards
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Re: The 768 dollar salmon....
« Reply #12 on: April 14, 2010, 07:20:33 PM »
Don't allow netting of the rivers and that price tag would change significantly and it would bring an abundance of fish back.  Allow thinning of the sea lions and seals in non-salt water tributaries.  Two easy staps to make the fish return in great numbers.
i agree that both need to happen, but that's still only the tip of the iceberg.  i think we can write off steelhead and wild chinook from ever making a comeback in puget sound.  too much development.
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Re: The 768 dollar salmon....
« Reply #13 on: April 16, 2010, 05:37:07 PM »
There never should of been hatcheries in the first place.

You guys don't get it. It is not just to close the hatcheries. It is to transfer them to Indian control. Now, before you think I am bashing the Natives, you are wrong; I honestly think they will manage it better than Olympia.
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Re: The 768 dollar salmon....
« Reply #14 on: April 16, 2010, 06:01:46 PM »
the indians do manage some hatcheries better than WDFW, but if you think the end all to our fishing woes is to dump more smolts in the rivers, then you're flat out wrong.
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