Shotguns

[Jburke]

Any of you guys have a stoeger 2000 or a charles daly auto shotgun?  I'm curious about their quality.  I know you generally get what you pay for, but some of the lower end guns perform damn good.  Just trying to get some honest opinions about them, good or bad.

[ICEMAN]

You may wish to edit your title to "Stoeger 2000 or Charles Daly".......you may get more attention...

[Huntbear]

For close to the same cost, get yourself an 870.  Much better quality and will last forever.

[ribka]

I would stay away from Stoeger and Charles Daly shotguns.I know a number of owners who had had problems with them. Years ago Charles Daly used to make a decent and affordable shotgun. I think other European manufactures made firearms for them. I know Miroku, who makes browning o/u's, manufactured o/u shotguns for Charles Daly. The new Charles Daly 2000 autos are made in Turkey. Not the best quality control from what I have heard.  I have heard that Stoeger has the same issues and poor customer service. Also made in Turkey. Turkish made firearms are notorious for poor quality IMHO

On a positive note Daly is know for good customer service.

Stay with a Remington 11/87, 1100, Beretta 390, Browning auto , older Winchester auto shotgun in the $400-$500 price range
Old adage you get what you pay for holds trues here

[CP]

I heard the same stories of poor quality Turkish shot guns.  But then Remington is putting out some total crap these days as well. 

If you can live with a fixed choke, quality used fixed choked autos are pretty easy to find at reasonable prices.  I’ve seen shooter grade Browning A5s & Remington 1100s sell in the $200 - $300 range, sometimes less.

[satchel3006]

i think charles daly just went out of business. i agree stick with the 870

[jackelope]

I have an older Charles Daly field auto(Miroku made) that I've owned for probably 20 years. It has worked flawlessly that whole time and I honestly have not taken good care of it at all. I still use it for turkey hunting now. It shoots 3" mags and anything heavier than light target loads just fine. It will not cycle light loads, never has...at that point it becomes a single shot. I wouldn't have any trouble owning another one, I just wouldn't expect the quality of a Browning Gold or something along those lines. It's an inexpensive gun. Mine is also threaded for choke tubes with the same thread pitch as Remington uses so any Remington choke will work.
FYI Daly recently announced they were closing their doors.
If I had $300-$500 to spend on a gun and wanted an auto I'd probably buy a used 1100.
Berettas and Brownings will take you to that $600 range and that'd be the better way to go if that's an option.
 

[AWS]

I picked up a Charles Daly 20ga Youth Auto about a year ago and have it hunting in four states and and have shot quite a lot of trap and skeet with it and it has preformed without flaw.  As has been stated CD is out of business but I think Weatherby is selling those guns now.  Numrich bought all CD's parts and the CD pump and auto shotguns use Rem Chokes.  I wouldn't purchase a CD now as factory suport is GONE.  They were nice guns though.



My paint job on the stock and forend.

AWS

[Jburke]

All good info, thanks.  I was already kind of leaning towards an 11-87 but every time I see something similar but cheaper it makes me wonder.  Have considered an 870 as well.  It's hard to beat the reliability of an 870, those things are work horses.

[gwpsage]

I bought a Stoeger 2000 a few years back.  I was looking for a cheaper autoloader that I could beat the hell out of.   I killed alot of ducks with it!  I don't like taking my Browning's duck hunting in the sound.  It functioned well for the most part.  The big problem which was the deal breaker was that it would misfire every once in awhile.  No matter what shells I feed it.  It would always misfire out of the blue.  Needless to say I got rid of it.  On the other hand my buddy has a 2000 and has never had a misfire with it.  That's why I bought one in the first place.   

[Buckmark]

Dont know much about the stoger or C/D shootguns but if you or someone else is looking for an auto i saw a pretty decent little Rem 1100 LT-20 for 249 the other day that currently had a youth stock on it..

[chrisb]

Don't know about the semi autos but my dad has a Stoeger 20 ga O/U and it's a great gun.

[Mookie]

Both the Stoeger and Charles Daly have good reputations. Seem to have a better following than many other brands. A friend bought the S2000 and has put a few thousand rounds through it and other than one fail to fire, the primer was dented, it has been flawless. I talked to a few local shops about their reps, Stoeger and CD, and all said they rarely get any problems, and the problems that do come up are cycling problems with people not using powerful enough loads. No low brass. I was shooting my buddies and it was cycling the Winchester 2 3/4 low brass bird shot just fine, but the action might have smoothed out because it used to not cycle it.

I am thinking of getting one myself, just without the pistol grip.

[carpsniperg2]

yeah i would not buy either one i know a few guys that had won charles daly guns at tukey fed and such and they have had a lot of problems with them. stick with the 870 or such you will be happy you did.

[D-Rock425]

my grandpa has a stoeger over and under the thing is a pile had a lot of problems when he first got it.

[Jekemi]

Charles Dailey has closed its doors so don't expect any support from them.
Stoeger is owned by Benelli but is manufactured in Turkey. SAKO bought Stoeger in 1990. SAKO was acquired by Beretta. When Beretta bought Benelli they got the whole shooting-match.
The story goes; Vursan, a Turkish arms manufactor developed the Stoeger shotgun. It had an exact copy of the inertia mechanism that Benelli uses. Beretta, which owns Benelli sued for patent infringement forcing Stoeger to sell its guns only in Turkey. During negotiations in Turkey some Benelli & Beretta executives visited the Stoeger factory; were impressed enough to buy the company. It's a cheap copy of the Benelli gun and kicks like crazy. it doesn't have energy absorbing stock, no cryogenic barrels, no easy takedown mechanism. But, for what you pay for its a decent gun.