New Pistol

[Copperwood]

Hello everyone, I am thinking about getting the new Beretta PX4 storm in 45 cal. I was wondering if any of you have one of these or heard anything (good/bad). I am debating between the Beretta, the springfield XDM and the HK45C. Any advise would be great.
Thanks

[ICEMAN]

All I know is that I love my Xdm. I don' know anthing else about the others.... You may wish to search for the XD thread....it havd rave reviews in it from many members here...

[Coasthunterjay]

well i have a friend who has a storm it is a good pistol....has a rotating barrel so it is a moving piece which i personnely dont like..

Springfield XD or XDM for several years running was NRA gun of the year...great price for a quality pistol that you can trust over and over....

HK is expensive, good, reliable as a springfield...and well not sure if someone would say its higher quality...but its more expensive and is known for killing stuff....lol....


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My opinion...research...go out and feel it in your hand...if you can shoot all of them...and get a side holster..fell it next to your side...and pick the one you like in your hand the most...

basically my opinion on the last several years productions...regardless of maker, everyone is putting out a competative quality product...all with there positive and negatives...so when it really comes down to it...as long as you stick to a name..like baretta, springfield, or HK...you will get a reliable weapon that will shoot, or i should say FIRE everytime you ask it to...match it with good ammo and you will have a tool to be wreckend with.

but my opinion..you will soon hear more...lol...good luck with your search...

[carpsniperg2]

there is another thread about the xd/xdm you should check it out great great gun love mine and going to probably be picking up another in a few weeks. my cousin by marriage just had his sister get one in 40 and she likes it i have a berreta cx4 storn the carbine rifle in 40 and it is great love it. but as far as a handgun the xdm is the one i trust my life to the most

[River]

I have heard good things about the Beretta, and have experienced the XDM (9mm ver) which is a good gun and reminds me of a Glock.  I use to own a HK45C but didn't like it because that particular gun had a weird uneven pull and didn't have tritium sights (but HKs are generally ironclad and I have a few).  Not sure if the Beretta or XDM have tritium sights but I highly recommend upgraded sights.  A lot of people don't like 45s in short barrel lengths (velocity) and I am in that camp, but you choose what you are confident in. 

[FC]

XD's and XD(m)'s are great, reliable pistols with a long mushy trigger, Beretta PX4's have a rotating barrel that can be prone to jamming problems, Hk's are fantastically well built, superbly accurate and reliable pistols with a GREAT trigger. You might also have a look/shoot a Sig P220, easily a match for Hk in quality, accuracy and reliability. If those are too costly you might also look at the Bersa thunder 45.

[River]

XD's and XD(m)'s are great, reliable pistols with a long mushy trigger, Beretta PX4's have a rotating barrel that can be prone to jamming problems, Hk's are fantastically well built, superbly accurate and reliable pistols with a GREAT trigger. You might also have a look/shoot a Sig P220, easily a match for Hk in quality, accuracy and reliability. If those are too costly you might also look at the Bersa thunder 45.

I am a Sig guy mostly, but also collect HKs.  Yes, try the Sig 220 if you are looking for a die-hard 45.

[C-Money]

You should like the Beretta just fine! FN's are cool too!

[carpsniperg2]

yeah that is what i thought when i first shot a xd was a slow long trigger pull but when the xmd came out with the match trigger i thought it made it much much better that was the only prob i had with the first xds other then that they were perfect when the xdm came out i was sold watch out 3.8 i am coming for you also the xmd 45 is due out this year. and i hope crimson trace gets there but in gear and gets a laser out for the xdms

[FC]

I am a Sig guy mostly, but also collect HKs.  Yes, try the Sig 220 if you are looking for a die-hard 45.
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Once you start shooting Sigs and/or Hk's it's tough to go back to anything else, I'm definitely a fan of Sig's all-metal pistols.

yeah that is what i thought when i first shot a xd was a slow long trigger pull but when the xmd came out with the match trigger i thought it made it much much better

I own an XD(m) 9mm, it has a match barrel but the same trigger as any other XD, the parts are all inter-changeable, don't get me wrong as the pistol is awesome, it gobbles ammo like feeding skittles to a fat chick! Mine has no failures in approximately 3k rounds. If you want to try a good trigger in a very accurate gun and are local I would be happy to let you try my P226.

[carpsniperg2]

i thought it was match barrel and trigger they put in the new xdm  and then they changed one other thing besides the amount of ammo in the gun. maybe the side cuts i did not think it was the same trigger as in the xd but i am not 100% i know the parts can interchange but i thought it was diffrent now i am going to have to look and see.

[jackelope]

I also thought the XDm had the match barrel and trigger...

 

[FC]

I also thought the XDm had the match barrel and trigger...

 

The XD(m) does have a match barrel but the trigger is just their standard XD trigger, measure the travel of the trigger after take-up to sear release and it's about 3/8-1/2 an inch...A match trigger should have no little or no perceptible movement after take-up to the point of sear release, nothing to measure.

[Bofire]

Handguns are personal try them yourself. I had Sigs, hate em, H&K hate it too. Had Glocks they work, but not for  me. I find the XD's OK but not much better. The Beretta 92 is a club, Browning hi-power is a good gun.
In the end for me it has to be a 1911, there are several good ones.
Carl

[jackelope]

I also thought the XDm had the match barrel and trigger...

 

The XD(m) does have a match barrel but the trigger is just their standard XD trigger, measure the travel of the trigger after take-up to sear release and it's about 3/8-1/2 an inch...A match trigger should have no little or no perceptible movement after take-up to the point of sear release, nothing to measure.

The only reason I thought that is because the salesguy told me that.
 
He apparently needs some educating.
Maybe Springfield says it does but it really doesn't?

[carpsniperg2]

yeah i am with jackelope, i was just looking around and it says match trigger and barrel. but would be cool to know if it true i know i have shot mine side by side with a plain xd and my trigger is way less travel and smoother    but intresting point fc now you have my mind wandering i still love mine and will be buying another one as well and going to get my buddy and brother to get one as well.

[FC]

I got told the very same thing but there is no documentation in the box the pistol came in or that I can find on Springfield's site. That put together with having some experience with match triggers tells the rest of the tale. I haven't done a trigger job on mine yet but will soon as it's currently the worst trigger I own, even my spr453 has a better trigger!

 Those who think I might be talking down about Springfield's poly pistols, I really am not! My XD(m) is an incredibly reliable handgun with about 3k down the pipe with no failures using every brand, projectile weight and velocity that I have been able to find for it BUT it is hard to learn how to shoot it well as trigger squeeze just ain't happening, controlled mash while holding it on target is the only way to shoot it semi-accurately. The take-up isn't what bugs me, it's the 3/8+ of an inch of travel AFTER the take-up. No match trigger will have that.

[carpsniperg2]

yeah i agree, i wonder if you have a bad trigger spring or somthing my travel on my xmd 40 is about 1/4" you might have somthing that is not right that is causing it to travel more to engage the firing pin just a thought

[FC]

No nothing broken in it, pretty much the same as any other Xd or XD(m) that I have shot. They all vary within a range just like anything else but they all have a long trigger pull. I think it's kind of dumb that they don't have better triggers in them to begin with as there can't be much of a cost difference with the main parts being replaced would be sear, striker and trigger disconnector. What area are you in Carpsniperg2? I would be interested to do a trigger job on mine and be able to compare it back to back with an un-modified pistol, with all of this talk about it I'll order up the parts for mine next week! I'm in Mukilteo btw.

[Copperwood]

Thanks everyone. The only reason that turns me off to the XDM is the grip safety. I hate it, that is why I will never buy a 1911. Is there a way to disengage the grip safety?

[carpsniperg2]

yeah i didn't think i would like it but were it is located it is not bad at all and i don't even notice it now and when carrying it full time i like the extra insurance of the grip safety and one last i don't have to worry about when i draw my gun. i hate when i have to flip a switch to fire a gun. and yes you can but i would not recommend it at all.

FC:i am in goldendale south most part of washington. and i have no idea were you are at never heard of it

[Copperwood]

yeah i didn't think i would like it but were it is located it is not bad at all and i don't even notice it now and when carrying it full time i like the extra insurance of the grip safety and one last i don't have to worry about when i draw my gun. i hate when i have to flip a switch to fire a gun. and yes you can but i would not recommend it at all.

FC:i am in goldendale south most part of washington. and i have no idea were you are at never heard of it

The thing that is the biggest PITA is it takes two hands to De-cock it and it seems like a nuisance

[FC]

@LazyLab, yes you can disarm the grip safety on an XD(m) but it's not adviseable, the grip safety actuates the sear block leaving the striker safety only and the pistol not entirely drop safe. Try a Sig out and see if you like it, there is no safety switch, just chamber a round and de-cock the pistol, first shot is double action and subsequent shots are single action.

@carp, I'm about 20 miles north of Seattle, not exactly close...

[carpsniperg2]

nope not very close

i don't consider it a pain but to each there own, get one that fits you best