Baiting Deer

[bearpaw]

I want to add this, I am a hound dogger and a trapper, it has already happened to me twice, who's next......

[Ray]

Yes, there are a lot of gun hunters which do not like archery. I know of three myself.

[bearpaw]

I just watched this video that Shane had posted earlier in this topic:

If you haven't watched this, you need to watch it:

Shane was right, listen to the end very closely, this is what is happening across America.

[NWBREW]

I want to add this, I am a hound dogger and a trapper, it has already happened to me twice, who's next......

Thanks for your input bearpaw and Ray. I geuss I have to claim ignorance on my part. That is truely a shame. Like I said before, I have hunted with a bow and rifle and enjoyed both and would not want to lose either one. I have not done muzzy but hope to some day. I geuss if I would have thought about it more I would have seen it. I have seen it on this vary site going both ways.

It has happened to alot of us. I used to bait bear back in the 80's and not till you mentioned hound doggin did I remember houndhunters vs baiters and vis versa. Fighting amognst each other and who came out on top....Nobody. It wasn't houndhunters that lost...it wasn't baithunters that lost....it was all Hunters that lost. So I geuss there is no difference. If one loses...we all lose.

[bearpaw]

I want to add this, I am a hound dogger and a trapper, it has already happened to me twice, who's next......

Thanks for your input bearpaw and Ray. I geuss I have to claim ignorance on my part. That is truely a shame. Like I said before, I have hunted with a bow and rifle and enjoyed both and would not want to lose either one. I have not done muzzy but hope to some day. I geuss if I would have thought about it more I would have seen it. I have seen it on this vary site going both ways.

It has happened to alot of us. I used to bait bear back in the 80's and not till you mentioned hound doggin did I remember houndhunters vs baiters and vis versa. Fighting amognst each other and who came out on top....Nobody. It wasn't houndhunters that lost...it wasn't baithunters that lost....it was all Hunters that lost. So I geuss there is no difference. If one loses...we all lose.

NWBREW you are exactly right, we (all hunters) lost, and the antis won, if I was them I would still be laughing at the bickering between hunters. I thought Nuge really spelled it out well.

One thing I think should be said, the members on this forum are all passionate about hunting and wanting to do what is right and that is good, but sometimes we let our passion for doing what's right get in the way of preserving the various hunting sports because we get caught up in these little arguments when really we should be supportive of each other activities.

[SHANE(WA)]

this poll says "should baiting be illegal" look at the poll on how many said illegal to legal, this is exactly whats wrong with the hunting community!! divided!!! this is how we will begin to lose more and more rights

I am real interested to hear from the people who voted illegal, then tell us how you prefer to  hunt and techniques, cause they will be people out there that are against one form or another always,we keep this crap up every form of hunting will be banned and then no hunting period, think people. The hunters that voted on the "NO" to bear baiting and hound hunting should be ashamed of themselves, you are not hunters

[PolarBear]

polar not trying to start a huge argument here but rather make a point....

If you go to the polls and baiting is on the ballot, will you vote against it since you do not believe in it. My guess is that you will.

Now, I can tell you there a tons of gun hunters who hate bowhunters and think bowhunting is the ruination of elk and deer hunting in this state. If they go to the polls and bow hunting is on the ballot, will they vote against it? Again my guess is that yes they will.

My point is simple, we are all voting each others activities and rights away. We must support each other or you will all continue to lose.....period....

No I will not and have not voted against it just like I didn't for for banning hunting with hounds even though it is something I don't see as sporting.  Like I said, Just because it is something I will not partake in doesn't give me the right to tell someone else that they shouldn't especially when it comes to hunting.  If it is legal, go for it, I don't care just don't expect a pat on the back from me (as if that had any meaning anyway).

I guess that anyone who disagrees with Shane(WA) should be ashamed?  Shane, once again, some of us don't have to rely on baiting to consistently harvest quality animals and are not in the least "ashamed" to disagree with the practice.

[SHANE(WA)]

ignorance again  you dont understand the point

[PolarBear]

Pot calling the kettle black.  Read your own words and see how divisive you are being by calling fellow hunters who disagree with you non hunters.  It is possible to disagree and still support all aspects of hunting.  You sound like the morons who crucified Jim Zumbo because he had and opinion on using black rifles for hunting even though he opposed having them banned for such use.

[ribka]

I grew up in Wisconsin and used to return home and bow hunt the rut. Been returning home for 20 years and had access to a lot of good farm land and woods with oak trees which wt deer love..  Always saw lots of deer and usually took a nice buck. I really loved rattling in big bucks and still hunting for them with a bow. I really looked forward to this hunt every year. About 5 years ago I noticed a big change. I returned home and began hunting as usual. I hunted all of my regular areas and was  not seeing any deer.

One afternoon sitting on my stand and I see a guy ina neighboring property  drive out with his ATV pulling a big trailer full of corn. He drives into his woods and dumps it. Must have been 200 lbs of corn. And he leaves. About 15 minutes later about 8 does and fawns come running up to the pile and start feeding.

I call the game warden later because baiting was never legal in WI. He tells me me that the practice of feeding was legalized and can only set out a few lbs of corn/fed a day. I tell him about the guy dumping over 200 lbs and he said that so many people violate the new feeding statute there is nothing he can do about it.   After a few days called a friend who is a game biologist. He advised that 1000's of "hunters" in WI  were buying several 100 lb bags of corn a week and dumping on their land in prep for hunting season. Was told that it changed the deer behavior and they would tend to stay on land where the corn plies were located and tended to be more nocturnal for some reason. The game biologist also stated that he was concerned that all of the deer were feeding in small concentrated areas and there was a big concern by him and other biologists that the corn piles would hasten the spread of  CWD  and other diseases.

Needless to say I stopped returning home to hunt after that. Baiting really ruined the experience of  hunting for me. 

May be ok for some guys but "Texas style of hunting" not for me