Advantage of better binoculars

[USAFpj]

I have been researching bino's for a tremendous amount of time recently.  I have read everyone's review in the price range of $500-$1500, and am interested in the Vortex Razor line and the Swarovski's SLC as well.  But what I haven't seen is exactly why I need a better pair at that low light level 15min before sunup and sundown.  Many have said that a difference could not be seen until almost dark, and that the glasses had to be stacked on one another.  What is the point of being able to see for that last minute of light, or is it that the ability of those better glasses to see into the dark shadows of the trees to pick apart the animals from the brush?  Also, I currently have Zeiss German military optics in 8x30, for Westside elk, are most going with 10x42's these days? 

[sako223]

In general many animals will move early/late in the day. Often it will be good glass that will pick them up, whether it be opening morning or bedding them. People are always stating "as good as" when comparing price. In good light some will compare in small ways.
There are other factors to consider. By dividing the number(like 7x35) you get an exit pupil of 5 which will match your eyes and give a bright picture. 10x 28 will only give 2.8 and not so bright. Aging eyes are different.
10 power and above will magnify hand shake especially if your hiking/climbing.
Good glass will give less eye strain allowing better and longer scanning.
8-8.5x42 is a very good stable bright choice. Even though I have 10x42 Leica they are wonderful but show a litle shake once in a while.
Buying good glass will save you money in the long run, plus you get to enjoy the benefits the whole time.

[Bob33]

At 15 minutes before sunrise you could have already been hunting for 15 minutes, and locating animals for much longer.

[Bigshooter]

I know a lot of people don't understand good glass.  I started with a pair of redfield 10x50's.  Loved them.  But my dad talked me into buying a pair of 10x42 wind river olympics.  When I first got them I didn't think that I could really tell that big of difference between them.  But after a month of looking through nothing but the wind rivers I looked through the redfields and was in shock at how crappy the redfields were.  Couple years after I bought the wind rivers I bought some gold rings.  Same thing didn't think they were any better than the wind rivers but after a month looked through the wind rivers again and couldn't believe the difference.  The next year I bought a pair of swarovski 10x50's slc's.  Again it was the same thing.  Couple years later I bought a pair of 10x42's swarovski el's.  And it wasn't a big difference but it there was a difference.  My point is until you look through good glass for a while you have no idea want you're missing.  And I can't explain it to you.

[addicted]

i do a good amount of night hunting and many of my hunting buddies doing the same thing kept preaching good optics. i just figured it was because they were old since i was seeing just as many animals as them and it seemed fairly easy enough for me to pick out animals in moonlight however, my wife purchased some good glass for me last month and the difference is quite notable.  I went from a pair of bushnel 10x42's to a pair of minox BL 8x56BR's and i have been able to pick out several animals that i believe would have likely gone un noticed otherwise. during the daytime the difference is like watching a high tech movie in that new fangaled HD movie crap. i can pick out details that i didnt even know existed. 

[MikeWalking]

One thing you get at the upper end is Phase Correction and better levels of it.  What it does is deliver color to your eye more accurately. Optics without it can blur shades, that brown deer may look the same shade as the brown brush around it. Quality phase correction will keep the slight differances defined, you'll see more. Plus fully multi coated optics will deliver more light.

[Copperwood]

I know a lot of people don't understand good glass.  I started with a pair of redfield 10x50's.  Loved them.  But my dad talked me into buying a pair of 10x42 wind river olympics.  When I first got them I didn't think that I could really tell that big of difference between them.  But after a month of looking through nothing but the wind rivers I looked through the redfields and was in shock at how crappy the redfields were.  Couple years after I bought the wind rivers I bought some gold rings.  Same thing didn't think they were any better than the wind rivers but after a month looked through the wind rivers again and couldn't believe the difference.  The next year I bought a pair of swarovski 10x50's slc's.  Again it was the same thing.  Couple years later I bought a pair of 10x42's swarovski el's.  And it wasn't a big difference but it there was a difference.  My point is until you look through good glass for a while you have no idea want you're missing.  And I can't explain it to you.

Hit the nail on the head. In the afternoon with the sun out you won't notice the difference between the $100 pair and the $1500 pair. But you will in the morning and the evening when it counts.

[USAFpj]

But you will in the morning and the evening when it counts.

This is the part that confuses me, especially the evening part.  If I'm an archer and can see the animals clearly with the binos an extra 15 minutes at sundown, I still won't be able to see them with my naked eye and be able to maneuver for a shot  .  Picking out that animal and being able to get a rifle shot I understand, but the extra $1K for an extra 15min is rough to swallow.  Thanks for everyone's patience as you break the bino issue down for yet another guy.  I'm looking at getting a set of used leica Ultravid BR 8x42's, but still debating if I truly 'need' that kind of glass...

[Bob33]

Your point is well taken, and you should not be attempting a shot where you cannot clearly see the animal.  However, binoculars may allow you to see animals that you might not see with your naked eye, but once you get closer you will.

Also, in the morning it's the opposite with light increasing: if you see something through binoculars first, you can stalk the animal and wait for daylight. 

I consider binoculars one of my most important pieces of gear.

[rasbo]

for this side I carry 8x42 leupolds and feel naked without them..

[MikeWalking]

Your point is well taken, and you should not be attempting a shot where you cannot clearly see the animal.  However, binoculars may allow you to see animals that you might not see with your naked eye, but once you get closer you will.

Also, in the morning it's the opposite with light increasing: if you see something through binoculars first, you can stalk the animal and wait for daylight.  

I consider binoculars one of my most important pieces of gear.

You may really appreciate the higher end Binos for scouting and general wildlife viewing too. Spend enough to get a Fully Multi Coated model with Phase Correction. You wont need to spend a Grand to do that. Aside from a little extra time at the end of the day you'll see more during the day.

[dreamunelk]

Buy the best you can afford.  I use them for work all the time and just can not stress enough the importance of good optics.  Being able to see in low light is a must.  If you are hunting B.T. s. in thick areas and it is overcast you will see the difference.  Go to a popular birding area and see the binos they use.  There is a reason, to identify many species you have to be able to see very small details.  Several years ago while elk hunting with some buddy's we were sitting on a landing arguing over a stump that look like an elk butt.  Distance I am not sure, but it was a ways off.  I was the one arguing it was an elk bedded down.  I could see the hair with my stieners they could not. I one the argument when it got up.  Same power just clearer picture.  Steiners and leopold would be the low end with ziese and swavorski preferred.  Sorry about the spelling!

[Bob33]

Aside from low light performance, you will appreciate better quality optics during the day as well.  Try glassing for an hour or two through cheap binoculars, then do the same through quality binoculars. 

[WDFW Hates ME!!!]

I bought a pair of cabelas roof prism 10X42 and i can pick out that extra point on a bull now that i couldn't with my nikon 8x40's. They are not top of the line but they work for what i need them for. 1500 for binos is a tough pill to swallow.

[halflife65]

$1500 is tough to spend on binos.  However, when I finally upgraded from Leupolds (good) to Swarovskis (great), I kicked myself for waiting so long.  Like someone mentioned, even in the middle of the day, they are better - less strain on the eyes, clear from edge to edge, easier to go from bright sunlight and peek into shadows under trees and brush. 

I bought those Leupys in the early 90s.  So, I figure 15 to 20 years out of my glass and the price per year is greatly reduced.  $1500 over 20 years is only $75/year. 

Like any toy, buy them in cash so that you're not paying any interest on stuff.  I suppose I could upgrade my spotter today if I wanted to use a credit card, but I refuse to do that.