stupid question im sure

[let.it.fly]

i was wondering if it is legal to hunt with a spear or knife. i have seen a technique done that would definetly allow someone within a few feet of a bear(when done right). i was wondering if it would be legal to spear or even stab a bear. just a question. i dont need anyone flamming me for this. if you wana post regs then please highlight the info you think is pertenant to my question as i am no good at deciphering the states regs. thanks guys.

[carpsniperg2]

some states it is legal i have watched time well take many animals with spear. here i don't think it is legal because there is no definition that says a knife or spear if legal to hunt with in the regs. like cross bows: without a disabled permit or in a weapon restricted area they are not legal and if they won;t let crossbows hunt during archery i dought thye will let you chuck a spear. i do have 2 homemade spears that i have made to play with as well. so i have had the same thoughts of you before i also use a spear to use why bowfishing which i know is legal to take carp because it says it in the regs. so i get my spear fix that way

[bigtex]

Definitely NOT legal in WA. The methods for hunting are clearly outlined in the regs.
Someome tried killing a bear with a spear last year and posted it on YouTube and a couple days later he had a couple WDFW Officers at his house to write some nice tickets.

[Kain]

http://wdfw.wa.gov/wlm/game/hunter/huntregs2010.pdf  Page 72

11. Prohibited firearms/hunting methods
It is illegal to:
• Hunt game birds with a shotgun capable
of holding more than three shells.
• Hunt game birds with a rifle or pistol,
except forest grouse.
• Hunt game birds or game animals with
anything other than a firearm, a bow and
arrow, or by falconry. Bullfrogs may only
be taken by angling, hand dip netting,
gigging, and bow and arrow.
• Hunt game animals or game birds with a
shotgun larger than 10 gauge.
• Hunt wildlife with a crossbow, except
in firearm restriction areas. However,
disabled hunter permittees in possession
of a crossbow special use permit may
hunt with a crossbow in any season that
allows archery equipment.
• Hunt wildlife with a fully automatic firearm.

This means no spears, knives, clubs, axes, air guns...and so on.

[let.it.fly]

http://wdfw.wa.gov/wlm/game/hunter/huntregs2010.pdf  Page 72
11. Prohibited firearms/hunting methods
It is illegal to:
• Hunt game birds with a shotgun capable
of holding more than three shells.
• Hunt game birds with a rifle or pistol,
except forest grouse.
• Hunt game birds or game animals with
anything other than a firearm, a bow and
arrow, or by falconry. Bullfrogs may only
be taken by angling, hand dip netting,
gigging, and bow and arrow.
• Hunt game animals or game birds with a
shotgun larger than 10 gauge.
• Hunt wildlife with a crossbow, except
in firearm restriction areas. However,
disabled hunter permittees in possession
of a crossbow special use permit may
hunt with a crossbow in any season that
allows archery equipment.
• Hunt wildlife with a fully automatic firearm.

This means no spears, knives, clubs, axes, air guns...and so on.

doees that include catapolts

[Kain]

  No catapults because they are not a firearm.  But cannons are fine as long as they are .45 cal or larger.  You could even hunt muzzleloader season with them.  Or you could make a black powder spear gun.    

http://wdfw.wa.gov/wlm/game/hunter/huntregs2010.pdf  Page 70

3. In addition to the above requirements, it is
unlawful to participate (hunt) in a muzzleloading
hunting season using a firearm that does
not meet the following specifications for a
muzzleloader. As in the past sabots are allowed.
Any type of projectile is allowed.

[carpsniperg2]

No catapults because they are not a firearm.  But cannons are fine as long as they are .45 cal or larger.  You could even hunt muzzleloader season with them.  Or you could make a black powder spear gun.    

http://wdfw.wa.gov/wlm/game/hunter/huntregs2010.pdf  Page 70

3. In addition to the above requirements, it is
unlawful to participate (hunt) in a muzzleloading
hunting season using a firearm that does
not meet the following specifications for a
muzzleloader. As in the past sabots are allowed.
Any type of projectile is allowed.

as long as it is atlest 40cal round rod for deer and 45 for other big game

[agchawk]

I don't know....I say "Let them hunt bear with a damned knife if they want!" Personally I would LOVE to see video of some idiot jumping on the back of big black bear and try to kill it with his gerber...LOL

[Kain]

No catapults because they are not a firearm.  But cannons are fine as long as they are .45 cal or larger.  You could even hunt muzzleloader season with them.  Or you could make a black powder spear gun.    

http://wdfw.wa.gov/wlm/game/hunter/huntregs2010.pdf  Page 70

3. In addition to the above requirements, it is
unlawful to participate (hunt) in a muzzleloading
hunting season using a firearm that does
not meet the following specifications for a
muzzleloader. As in the past sabots are allowed.
Any type of projectile is allowed.

as long as it is atlest 40cal round rod for deer and 45 for other big game

Only the barrel would have to be that caliber since you can use a sabots the spear shaft could be any diameter.

[let.it.fly]

I don't know....I say "Let them hunt bear with a damned knife if they want!" Personally I would LOVE to see video of some idiot jumping on the back of big black bear and try to kill it with his gerber...LOL

that was kinda my idea. i recently had some thing happen in my life witch i would like to keep private. anyways these things made me realize we only have a limited time on this earth. to be honest i would rather go out in mortal combat with a bear then in a hospital bed. i have seen people use black umbrellas to get close to bears. there eyesight is bad and they just think its aother bear. check out "bear stocker" on youtube and you will see what i mean. a guy gets withing about 1 foot of a bear and lets an arrow go. the arrow was in the bear before it ever left the string. i definetly would not be using a gerber though. i was thinking my Kbar.

[Michelle_Nelson]

check out "bear stocker" on youtube and you will see what i mean.

Ohhhhhhh Kain. . . . . . . . .master of the Youtube world.  

[alanger]

what the heck does gigging for bullfrogs mean??

[Kain]

check out "bear stocker" on youtube and you will see what i mean.

Ohhhhhhh Kain. . . . . . . . .master of the Youtube world.  

Couldnt find the umbrella video.  

what the heck does gigging for bullfrogs mean??

Its like a pitch fork spear.
Frog Gigging Extremes '08..!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[alanger]

thanks

[Kain]

Apparently Jim Shockey use to use the umbrella technique.  Since he now endorses the Shadow Shield that might explain why the umbrella video was taken down.  If it was his video.
 
Jim Shockey with the ShadowShield, Mirror Stalking Shield

[seth30]

how much do those cost, and does the sun glare off them?

[Kain]

You have to angle them at the ground to avoid sun glare.  http://www.theshadowshield.com/orderonline.phtml

Hunt Video using The ShadowShield, mirror hunting!

There is also the Ghost Blind

GhostBlind #1 - Invisible Mirror Ground Hunting Blind

[Galpster]

U R a nut let.it.fly!!  I want to go to film this adventure.  Too bad it is illegal. Maybe we can go to Idaho and film it. I think I read it that it is legal in Idaho.

[Jeremy S]

what the heck does gigging for bullfrogs mean??

A gig looks like a fork (as stated above) with four sharp tines on it like a fish hook. It's mounted on the end of a pole and used to spear the frogs..... and it's a great time. 

[carpsniperg2]

"Only the barrel would have to be that caliber since you can use a sabots the spear shaft could be any diameter."

well if you want to be technical about it i think a sabot that long would mess with trajectory of the spear i think then conical approach would be better and just put some lube on the shaft and like will bullets and other things its always better to have a bigger diameter shaft ROFLOL