Wolfplant? Who Is This Man With The Drugged Wolf?

[Special T]

Take it easy... WC...

[jackelope]

That man is a good friend of mine and he was involved in the trapping effort in PO county last summer.  That animal is the alpha male to the diamond pack.  He was trapped, tranqed, and collared that day.  The picture was taken that day.  This whole thread is BS.

It was in refence by Wa coyote regaurding the lookout pack... the wolves they capturend and weighed were around 50lbs...

pups

I went back in Wacoyotehunter's posts and found this thread.
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,7553.msg626392.html#msg626392
In that thread is this post.

That's not a bad theory Special T.  I think that determining the 'local stock' of wolves is important in this situation.   The wolves in the methow (the lookout pack anyway) are smaller animals (weighed in at 75 and 65 lbs in the summer) and are coastal BC animals.  They are likely the native animal for the north cascades and the west side. 
The animals in PO county are larger (108lb male) the female has not been weighed but looks much smaller.  He is from Glacier np and  was native to that area (not introduced lines). 
Both of the documented packs in WA are small, 5 animals in Diamond and 7 in the lookout pack.  They should be raising young now, so we'll see how many of the subadults hang around and how many disperse or die. 
I think the wolves we have now are native animals, they are not the McKenzie river valley animals everyone likes to scream about.

[Special T]

The argument was that it was 40-50 lbs and WC said
"Oh and another thing Wacoyote... that aint no 40lbs dog either!"

Wc
"It's an (exactly) 108 lb alpha male gray wolf.  Genetic origin is Glacier NP."
I wasn't putting words in you mouth..  

[bearpaw]

This is a controversial issue in which noone trusts anyone. Idaho F&G has had to send some people walking that were maniplating the system. It seems we have people within the WDFW Endangered Species program that are working for "Defenders of Wildlife". To top it off, the former director of the USFWS now works for Defenders Of Wildlife. http://graywolfnews.com/pdf/former_USFWS_director_now_defenders_of_wildlife.pdf

So no wonder some of us do not trust the system or the wolf plan that's being promoted.

Anyway, no worries on my end about the comments, my goal was to get the story, we got the story, and I reported it to everyone. The remaining question in my mind is who doctored the photo and why?

[Special T]

The why is self evident.. cause a stir and see how the other side can take advantage... otherwise there would be a story with the pic... the who... well that might take someone with some computer skillz i lack...

[Gringo31]

How many other pictures does WDFW have that have never been released to the public?

[jackelope]

Oh and another thing Wacoyote... that aint no 40lbs dog either!

It's an (exactly) 108 lb alpha male gray wolf.  Genetic origin is Glacier NP.

[Rudy]

The article said it was 105 lbs.




 




I just want to know if the scale was certified.  If this thing is 3 pounds heavier then they were saying....

   Without a certified scale....were all F'd   

[Special T]

Jackalope, yes that was the quote i was refering to...

[wolfbait]

That man is a good friend of mine and he was involved in the trapping effort in PO county last summer.  That animal is the alpha male to the diamond pack.  He was trapped, tranqed, and collared that day.  The picture was taken that day.  This whole thread is BS.

It was in refence by Wa coyote regaurding the lookout pack... the wolves they capturend and weighed were around 50lbs...

pups

I went back in Wacoyotehunter's posts and found this thread.
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,7553.msg626392.html#msg626392
In that thread is this post.

That's not a bad theory Special T.  I think that determining the 'local stock' of wolves is important in this situation.   The wolves in the methow (the lookout pack anyway) are smaller animals (weighed in at 75 and 65 lbs in the summer) and are coastal BC animals.  They are likely the native animal for the north cascades and the west side.  
The animals in PO county are larger (108lb male) the female has not been weighed but looks much smaller.  He is from Glacier np and  was native to that area (not introduced lines).  
Both of the documented packs in WA are small, 5 animals in Diamond and 7 in the lookout pack.  They should be raising young now, so we'll see how many of the subadults hang around and how many disperse or die.  
I think the wolves we have now are native animals, they are not the McKenzie river valley animals everyone likes to scream about.

 (The wolves in the methow (the lookout pack anyway) are smaller animals (weighed in at 75 and 65 lbs in the summer) and are coastal BC animals.  They are likely the native animal for the north cascades and the west side.)  


The WDFW is leading the investigative fieldwork on the now confirmed wild gray wolf pack in the Methow. The agency decided to trap and take DNA samples of the canines heard howling in the Methow Valley and sent the DNA samples to the University of California-Los Angeles Conservation Genetics Resource Center.  

DNA tests showed that the wolves originated from a population in the northern British Columbia and Alberta provinces of Canada.

("Same wolves as Idaho" and guess what? """They are wild wolves, which means they haven't been hauled around in trucks to many times""")

"This is a natural colonization," said Fitkin.""""The wolves are naturally immigrating.""""    

Fitkin and his team will continue to monitor the movements of the collared wolves and wolf pups as they move around the summer rendezvous area.

"I've been waiting for this for 18 years," said Fitkin, who said he was very excited by the findings of the investigation. Fitkin has been involved in wolf research in the North Cascades since 1991.

http://myyellowstonewolves.typepad.com/myw/2008/07/gray-wolves-are.html

[whacker1]

How old is Fitkin?  Maybe he will retire soon.......?

[WDFW-SUX]

 

[steen]

I would assume that if someone is illegally releasing wolves that the game dept. would say go ahead and shoot them.  Just waiting for the go ahead.

[wolfbait]

I would assume that if someone is illegally releasing wolves that the game dept. would say go ahead and shoot them.  Just waiting for the go ahead.

You betch Steen, NOT.  I will say this if anyone here gets in trouble with shooting anything that looks like a wolf, make sure that you get said animal DNA tested, because if it is not 100% wolf you are free to go. These wolves cross breed with coyotes. In other states some guys were shooting coyotes that weighed 60+ pounds. Soon their game department wanted them to bring their coyotes in for DNA testing, as you can guess no one was telling anyone about big coyotes anymore.

[Ray]

This is a controversial issue in which noone trusts anyone. Idaho F&G has had to send some people walking that were maniplating the system. It seems we have people within the WDFW Endangered Species program that are working for "Defenders of Wildlife". To top it off, the former director of the USFWS now works for Defenders Of Wildlife. http://graywolfnews.com/pdf/former_USFWS_director_now_defenders_of_wildlife.pdf

So no wonder some of us do not trust the system or the wolf plan that's being promoted.

Anyway, no worries on my end about the comments, my goal was to get the story, we got the story, and I reported it to everyone. The remaining question in my mind is who doctored the photo and why?

I don't know about the photo very much more than any other here. However I was on Wolf Watch 2 last evening and I asked some general questions and then offered some humble but accurate feedback about the photo and lack of details surrounding it's source. I casually mentioned that it was genuine human nature to question how it came into his hands and who provided it. I also mentioned that he should expect some criticism when engaging in controversial subjects (none of which I offered on a personal level until now). Then Scott Rockholm decided to unravel. He became extremely defensive and followed up with a series of childish responses. The further the conversation flowed he decided to level personal attacks towards me for apparently no good reason and multiple times he solicited negative responses from me using condescending tone. From what I have gathered by first hand interactions with him I would say that he believes that you basically cannot question anything he produces because he and anything which originates from him is above scrutiny and that if you do so (even in good faith as I did) that you are stepping out of line with his so called ranks. A term which he used repeatedly. His approach and credibility on the wolf issues will always be an issue of skepticism regarding truth and motives from my perspective. After my experiences I reflected on them long enough to conclude that it isn't hard for someone to ponder if he cropped the photo himself. I also have given some thought about why it took so long to get this photo out to others. If I had supposed evidence, then what's the wait for?

When considering the nature of his responses to casual and good natured questions or even comments on the photo, I can only conclude that his methods, motives and any information which originates from him which is controversial or questionable has merit to be suspect. Instead of focusing on facts surrounding the photo and potential leads for information regarding it, which were openly provided here he basically used a bigoted response towards me. That response can be summarized as "the guys on this forum are mostly Pro Wolf and that if you didn't live in Idaho you might as well not have a valid opinion on the matter or even be capable of asking questions". At one point he amplified this bigotry by suggesting if you live in Kirkland you are incapable of understanding or comprehending any matters regarding wolves. His apparent justification for taking these angles from what I can tell was done in order to discredit me or perhaps to even change the conversation away from the source of the photo because perhaps he did not want to answer questions regarding it.

As far as I am concerned his methods are mostly a detriment to his openly stated goals in general.

1) He lost credibility by attacking someone because he could not stand that they would ask questions and insisted such questions were personal attacks against him.
2) He consistently displayed a vengeful and childish style of responses to almost anything. The irrational behavior Mr. Rockholm displayed is a testament to his own character and I did not provoke it in any way shape or form.
3) Once given leads regarding the photograph and the indentity of the person inside of it as well as location he did not seem genuinely interested in following up on them. I can only conclude at this point that such behavior is because he has no interest in the truth but might have been attempting to concoct a false story to arouse support for his agenda.


There is no doubt in my mind that Mr. Rockholm has a vested interest and reasoning for taking strong stances against the wolves. From the responses I have read from him; his goal on the matter is complete eradication. As far as I am concerned that is a Utopian dream world goal which is unachievable. The brazen statements he has made in support of this unrealistic goal have given me further insight into him as a man and has allowed me to draw some of my conclusions on his methods and character. Whether they be right or wrong.. I stand by them. Anyone can view the short conversation on Wolf Watch 2 and make their own judgement calls.