Wolfplant? Who Is This Man With The Drugged Wolf?

[boneaddict]

I would be happy to provide DNA samples for the WDFW biologist  for the said Lookout wolfpack.  That would of course include the 7 that occupy this drainage, the 7 that occupy the drainage to the west of that, the 7 that occupy the drainage to the north, the 7 that occupy the valley to the north of that, and then maybe the ones that decide to hike up to Tonasket for lunch I guess, and then the others to the south of that.    Would they like the DNA submitted to include dead weights and how would they like the animals to be submitted.  Tails good enough or do I have to pack out the whole animal.   You might also be educated enough to know that apparantly wolves have the ability to grow their tails back as I bet I could come up with more than 7 tails.    I jus t need the go ahead and I can start proving how many wolves we HAD in washington and how many animals are in the said Lookout pack.   Not sure which pack the diamond pack is, but I suspicion there are more than they are counting.   There are probably 9 or so critters in Leclerc creek alone.    If I could have special permission I'd like to collect a DNA sample there as well.  Its no wonder no one believes what they are saying.  Since I am going to be busy, can I subcontract out for DNA extraction in the Teanaway and the clockum and the blues as well.  Please WDFW, I would love to assist you in this........

[bearmanric]

 Great Reply Bone. Rick

[Ray]

I think the WDFW should be more proactive. So yes, I think they should be on top of credible reports like yours Doug.

Posturing about warrior status and aquiring so called rank among your circle of friends to shield yourself from criticism or even questioning is not a recipe for getting DNA samples or exposing facts. LOL

[whacker1]

there are probably 9 or so critters in Leclerc creek alone.

I believe that is the Diamond Pack from what I have been told - named after the Diamond Peak, which is in that neighborhood, but WDFW doesn't like to confirm where the name originated as it would give away location.  The location is an assumption that was shared with me by some folks that are local to USK, Ione, Cusick area.

[jackelope]

I think it is our responsibility as hunters and sportsmen in this state to do whatever we can do to assist  in the documenting of wolf populations here. If that means providing the WDFW or whoever with credible information or intel regarding the presence of wolves in an area, then do it. WDFW can not be everywhere at once. I believe if we as hunters are not doing this, we are adding to the problem,  not assisting and essentially not making a conscious effort to help to move towards delisting and management on a state level like we all want.

[whacker1]

The diamond pack has been rumored to travel into the Priest Lake area quite often, so maybe they all got shot last year under the Idaho Panhandle's quota...... One can only hope.

[Special T]

Good memory on that thread jackalope...

[boneaddict]

No worries Whacker, there are plenty left. 

[jackelope]

The diamond pack has been rumored to travel into the Priest Lake area quite often, so maybe they all got shot last year under the Idaho Panhandle's quota...... One can only hope.

I heard that 2 of them got shot by hunters in Idaho last year. I can't remember where I heard that though.

[grundy53]

The diamond pack has been rumored to travel into the Priest Lake area quite often, so maybe they all got shot last year under the Idaho Panhandle's quota...... One can only hope.

I heard that 2 of them got shot by hunters in Idaho last year. I can't remember where I heard that though.

that's great

[boneaddict]

I'll be there shortly so I guess we'll see where they are. 

[Lowedog]

I would be happy to provide DNA samples for the WDFW biologist  for the said Lookout wolfpack.  That would of course include the 7 that occupy this drainage, the 7 that occupy the drainage to the west of that, the 7 that occupy the drainage to the north, the 7 that occupy the valley to the north of that, and then maybe the ones that decide to hike up to Tonasket for lunch I guess, and then the others to the south of that.    Would they like the DNA submitted to include dead weights and how would they like the animals to be submitted.  Tails good enough or do I have to pack out the whole animal.   You might also be educated enough to know that apparantly wolves have the ability to grow their tails back as I bet I could come up with more than 7 tails.    I jus t need the go ahead and I can start proving how many wolves we HAD in washington and how many animals are in the said Lookout pack.   Not sure which pack the diamond pack is, but I suspicion there are more than they are counting.   There are probably 9 or so critters in Leclerc creek alone.    If I could have special permission I'd like to collect a DNA sample there as well.  Its no wonder no one believes what they are saying.  Since I am going to be busy, can I subcontract out for DNA extraction in the Teanaway and the clockum and the blues as well.  Please WDFW, I would love to assist you in this........

Boneaddict, have you reported your information to this guy?  Sounds like someone who can help make sure we are getting full disclosure from WDFW. 

http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,56958.0.html

[Gringo31]

Ray,
I am disappointed to see a somewhat unstable or irrational side of Scott.  Your post is spot on!

[WAcoyotehunter]

From what I have gathered by first hand interactions with him I would say that he believes that you basically cannot question anything he produces because he and anything which originates from him is above scrutiny and that if you do so (even in good faith as I did) that you are stepping out of line with his so called ranks. A term which he used repeatedly. His approach and credibility on the wolf issues will always be an issue of skepticism regarding truth and motives from my perspective. After my experiences I reflected on them long enough to conclude that it isn't hard for someone to ponder if he cropped the photo himself. I also have given some thought about why it took so long to get this photo out to others. If I had supposed evidence, then what's the wait for?

Holy cow...after reading the posts on the FB page, this guy is about as far out there on the wolf issue as I have seen.  His "warrior" status adds a whole new level of tin foil hat.  I'm not clear where anything like this can actually help the anti wolf crowd.  Instead, it's just going to further alienate the agency's from the rest of us asking genuine questions.

[wolfbait]

This is a controversial issue in which noone trusts anyone. Idaho F&G has had to send some people walking that were maniplating the system. It seems we have people within the WDFW Endangered Species program that are working for "Defenders of Wildlife". To top it off, the former director of the USFWS now works for Defenders Of Wildlife. http://graywolfnews.com/pdf/former_USFWS_director_now_defenders_of_wildlife.pdf

So no wonder some of us do not trust the system or the wolf plan that's being promoted.

Anyway, no worries on my end about the comments, my goal was to get the story, we got the story, and I reported it to everyone. The remaining question in my mind is who doctored the photo and why?

I don't know about the photo very much more than any other here. However I was on Wolf Watch 2 last evening and I asked some general questions and then offered some humble but accurate feedback about the photo and lack of details surrounding it's source. I casually mentioned that it was genuine human nature to question how it came into his hands and who provided it. I also mentioned that he should expect some criticism when engaging in controversial subjects (none of which I offered on a personal level until now). Then Scott Rockholm decided to unravel. He became extremely defensive and followed up with a series of childish responses. The further the conversation flowed he decided to level personal attacks towards me for apparently no good reason and multiple times he solicited negative responses from me using condescending tone. From what I have gathered by first hand interactions with him I would say that he believes that you basically cannot question anything he produces because he and anything which originates from him is above scrutiny and that if you do so (even in good faith as I did) that you are stepping out of line with his so called ranks. A term which he used repeatedly. His approach and credibility on the wolf issues will always be an issue of skepticism regarding truth and motives from my perspective. After my experiences I reflected on them long enough to conclude that it isn't hard for someone to ponder if he cropped the photo himself. I also have given some thought about why it took so long to get this photo out to others. If I had supposed evidence, then what's the wait for?

When considering the nature of his responses to casual and good natured questions or even comments on the photo, I can only conclude that his methods, motives and any information which originates from him which is controversial or questionable has merit to be suspect. Instead of focusing on facts surrounding the photo and potential leads for information regarding it, which were openly provided here he basically used a bigoted response towards me. That response can be summarized as "the guys on this forum are mostly Pro Wolf and that if you didn't live in Idaho you might as well not have a valid opinion on the matter or even be capable of asking questions". At one point he amplified this bigotry by suggesting if you live in Kirkland you are incapable of understanding or comprehending any matters regarding wolves. His apparent justification for taking these angles from what I can tell was done in order to discredit me or perhaps to even change the conversation away from the source of the photo because perhaps he did not want to answer questions regarding it.

As far as I am concerned his methods are mostly a detriment to his openly stated goals in general.

1) He lost credibility by attacking someone because he could not stand that they would ask questions and insisted such questions were personal attacks against him.
2) He consistently displayed a vengeful and childish style of responses to almost anything. The irrational behavior Mr. Rockholm displayed is a testament to his own character and I did not provoke it in any way shape or form.
3) Once given leads regarding the photograph and the indentity of the person inside of it as well as location he did not seem genuinely interested in following up on them. I can only conclude at this point that such behavior is because he has no interest in the truth but might have been attempting to concoct a false story to arouse support for his agenda.


There is no doubt in my mind that Mr. Rockholm has a vested interest and reasoning for taking strong stances against the wolves. From the responses I have read from him; his goal on the matter is complete eradication. As far as I am concerned that is a Utopian dream world goal which is unachievable. The brazen statements he has made in support of this unrealistic goal have given me further insight into him as a man and has allowed me to draw some of my conclusions on his methods and character. Whether they be right or wrong.. I stand by them. Anyone can view the short conversation on Wolf Watch 2 and make their own judgement calls.

In my opinion carrying your little spat over to W-H was about the most chicken *censored* thing I have seen so far. You could have dropped out at any time, but you stayed right in there and pushed the argument. This wolf issue is bigger than your little spat and yet you carry it around justifying your side. What the hell are you doing?  You don't even know the truth of the picture yet, and we don't either. Do you know how much time all of us invest in research? In checking wolf sightings, talking to people all over WA. Checking reports on wolf releases? We have to have all true facts Ray we can't lie like WDFW and DoW? Up until your little spat Scott was a great guy, now you are throwing him to the wolves, Whats that say about you Ray?  People who have spent many years fighting to get wolf control don't need people like you helping us Ray, we have enough lying *censored*heels to deal with at WDFW and IDFG.. I hope to hell you feel all warm and fuzzy right now with the crap you just spewed  Are you Proud of Yourself? Do you feel that you have won that little spat? Do you feel all better now?

How many times do those of us who are fighting against the wolves get attacked? Have you ever seen that Ray? Do you think after awhile we get defensive? Did you know the full story on the picture Ray?  Yet now you have become the judge and jury. GROW UP RAY you aren't in the second grade anymore!