good day 4 the tribe

[bullcanyon]

Oh I think the state could do more than we think.  Our lovely governor could of pulled some $ from the casinos and that is more leverage than we will ever muster.  Nothing means more to a slob than money.  Don't take that wrong.  I'm not calling all of them slobs, but there is obviously a handful of them.

I still say lock these primo areas up.  They will only improve with the limited access. 

[Elkaholic daWg]

I think if the tribe has a casino they need to give up all their fishing and hunting rights!



 If not that would make a great billboard on the main vein to their casino!

[Gutpile]

We saw a couple of nice ones down in the blues last weekend that some tribal guys shot. They were out bugling in full force trying to get a bull. I didn't know about this activity until this last weekend. Doesn't really seem fair but then again what do I know. I saw one myself in the back of a truck that was a complete hog. Just a giant. We also saw a gutpile right on the side of the road, down the road about 100 yards there were skid marks in the gravel. So the road hunting theories seem to be true. I've only been to the blues twice so this was all new to me not sure really what to think about it but I'd be lying if I said it didn't make me a bit angry.

[wildmanoutdoors]

The state don't want to stop this or maybe they can't.  But can't they lock these areas down as mentioned?  Obviously the slobs that do this won't go in there and the ones that do are probably going to be the honest ones that want to do it right.  Wouldn't be stopping the hunting so to speak.  Just limiting access.  Every group has a bad egg:(

The state can't do anything, it's a treaty right. I think you bring up a good point, nobody wants to see this and everyone always complains about how much tribal members road hunt and how they think roads should be shut. But then when landowners close gates people start bitching about areas they've hunted for 40 years is now behind a locked gate. 

This cant be a more true statement. If the WDFW steps in or the state the tribe threatens fed law suit. At a state level they cant touch them. And wont because of the money it would cost to go federal. Plus the state would loose.

The ONLY way this can be stopped is if Wash DC steps up and overthrows the treaty. Our little Elk herd isnt a big enough problem to be seen on a federal level. This is the case with all tribes, be it gill netting or hunting. Its time to do something. But we need help on a Federal Level. Our Govener isnt going to get in the middle of this. They work with, I mean for, and get support from the tribes. As long as they do what the tribes want. Period!

[yelp]

Tribal treaty rights..Washington State.  A map will help show where tribal ceded hunting rights are for you guys.  We are fortunate in some cases because Only some of the ceded areas are actually hunted by tribal members IMO.  It also is on Open and Unclaimed Lands and Hunting is only one of the rights the treaties give some of the tribes.  Ceremonial Rights, Subsistance Rights...it all comes back to the treaties.  26 tribes in Washington State. Here is the map.  More info at link below..

http://wdfw.wa.gov/hunting/tribal/treaty_history.html

[trophyhunt]

  >:(I can't even comment on this......

[C-Money]

I spoke to a warden up in the Clockum about the tribe and what kind of limits they have. He said the tribe is allowed 3% of the heard, and they are suppost to kill COWS for meat and what ever els they use it for. They are NOT suppost to be killing bulls. The warden told me they have pursued trying to stop the killing of the bulls in the Clockum and when it went before a judge, they testified that they did not know they were shooting bulls, and the case got tossed. The Warden was obviously very frustrated about the situation with the tribes, but he said there is not a lot he can do, after the case was over, he felt the tribes became more ridiculous in there killing as they had a new feeling of being "untouchable". He can pull them over and make sure everything is la git, and that is about it.. Even if they have bulls instead of cows.

[yakimarcher]

With all due respect to the incredible injustices they have suffered in the past - in this day and age, special treatment for tribes with regards to wildlife resources is completely ridiculous, and at times at least seems very destructive both to wildlife and to relationships between tribes and all other citizens.

They suffered injustices several generations ago!!! I dont know why we're still kissing their asses 130 years later. it's 2010, get you're sh*t together and quit crying because you're Great Great Grampa(who would be ashamed of you) was given a raw deal.

[Special T]

This is one opportunity that i think we haven't discussed before.. I think the wolves gould be a blessing in disguise... I believe that Hunting and fishing must crash in order to re negotiate with the tribes... If there are no big bulls or easy elk to kill, they would have to come back to the table for the "betterment of the herd" ? any thoughts? If they have seen wolves up in Chelan how long do you think its gona be till they are up in the Coluckum?

[haugenna]

where ever they shot them, it sure looked easy to get to with a vehicle.

[Practical Approach]

This is one opportunity that i think we haven't discussed before.. I think the wolves gould be a blessing in disguise... I believe that Hunting and fishing must crash in order to re negotiate with the tribes... If there are no big bulls or easy elk to kill, they would have to come back to the table for the "betterment of the herd" ? any thoughts? If they have seen wolves up in Chelan how long do you think its gona be till they are up in the Coluckum?

The wolves will not bring tribes to the table.  The wolves will just further reduce state hunting.  The tribes will continue to hunt while the state cuts back. 

[Practical Approach]

When were Elk introduced to Washington??

They have been reintroduced several times, but elk have always been in Washington.

[coachcw]

no f nnnnnnn wonder why the bull ratio sucks there .I'd be ok if the used wood arrows , long bow and a horse.

[bigpaw 77]

I would of givin those &$?!heads my two cents on them and there treaty if that was me taking the pic. This just makes me so angry, It is complete BS. How long is this going to go on before something is done about this. Will I have to explain to my son that he cant hunt because the indians killed everything off, wile he is in school learning from his teacher how the white man ruined it all for the indians. Something needs to change before its to late.

[bearhunter99]

no f nnnnnnn wonder why the bull ratio sucks there .I'd be ok if the used wood arrows , long bow and a horse.

My sentiments exactly, let them hunt year round but they have to hunt AS THEIR ANCESTORS did.  No high powered rifles, scopes, pickups, atvs etc.  I would not have a problem with that