good day 4 the tribe

[3dsheetmetal]

it was but its not a real pic grow up its been doctored up get a clue dont you have anything better to do than try to bash indians what are you try to start  

I don't think anybody is trying to bash anybody but it is obvious that some "native americans"are taking advantage of the system. Ever since the Boldt  decision I have seen every river netted from bank to bank in Whatcom county so they could catch every salmon and steelhead they could catch.And if you go out to the res at night the indians don't go out till just before dark to hunt and start shooting at ducks and probably only retreive only one duck out of five so don't try and tell me that they actually care about conservation.And when brandt season was closed  in order to strengthen the population I know a so called 'native american " that was out killing all the brandt that he could kill.They completely destroyed the noocksack elk herd and god bless them they are trying to rebuild the herd .What a f@##@ joke what a bunch of horse *censored*.They are Obama's illegitimate children and
 I see nothing ever to change they are just on welfare and can never change.:Send them all to China.

[ser300wsm]

It makes sick to see sh.. like that. that is the reason we all feel the same way about em. They get everything from the government given to them... Total bullsh... and they have to do sh.. like that...

[NataSS]

I have hunted here in WA going on 11 years now.

I have yet to harvest a deer, bear, cougar or *censored* elk.  I have hunted my ass off this year and still nothing.  I have spent the last couple of months scouting for elk because everyone here says "you scout, you score" (or something to that effect). 

I'm sorry but it is deffinatly not the Natives fault you havn't killed a Deer, Elk, Bear, or Cougar in Washington in the past 11 years. 

Trust me I know its my own fault.  This is the first year I have had time to actually scout so it was real frustrating actually finding something only to see its head lopped of and the straps taken out of it and left to rot.

In previous years I could only get enough time off to hunt for a few days and zero time to scout.  Well, got laid off in April and so now I have lots of time!

[Nimrod]

Don't expect us to transplant some more bulls for u guys when u shoot them all... it happend up i'n northern washinton it will happen again... Manage your **** a little better

[Special T]

Nimrod if you speaking of the nooksack heard then management is needed. However the local tribe worked with other hunters to try and bring the heard back... 1 major thing has affected that heard. No more hound hunting... It has made it much harder to control the cougar and massive bear population in the area. As good stewards of the land, i think tribes should reinstate a long lost ritual of running dogs on cougars and bears.  Another thought is the great need for coastal tribes to hunt seals, especially the ones near the dams.... Isn't there a shortage of ceremonial hides needed by the tribes? 
just my 

[coachcw]

well I kill a elk almost every year in Washington and pass up at least a couple of deer ,but thats not the point . I don't see why a tribal hunter would just take the horns and the backstraps , they would have no reason not two take the whole elk and laugh in  our faces. if they are killing elk and just cutting the back straps out so there no elk for the White man then they should be delt with. My honist oppion is the *censored*s that are shooting elk and taking just the horns and straps are some degrade local white trash *censored*s .

[monster_bull]

I agree. if some a native just wanted hons he would take the horns. N not waste time taking the back straps. 

[mebco09]

I don't see why a tribal hunter would just take the horns and the backstraps , they would have no reason not two take the whole elk and laugh in  our faces.

 My honist oppion is the *censored*s that are shooting elk and taking just the horns and straps are some degrade local white trash *censored*s .

It is called laziness.  If they can shoot multiple elk in a year, and take out the easy meat, they can fill their freezers with nothing but backstrap and not gut, quarter and pack out anything.  If it is a single hunter (poacher), it would be tough to load up a big bull into a truck without some help.   

It may very well be that it is white trash *censored*s doing this, but if they are caught, at least there is punishment.  It doesn't make it any better as there is still a wasted elk out there, but if white boys get caught doing this the game department has legal teeth.  With the natives, they walk.  There is probably some tribal laws regarding wastage....who enforces that?

[coachcw]

Mebco , don't You think they would piss more people off with a truck load of elk more than a rack . I don't see where members are catching them doing it . if they wern't gonna get punished by the dept of game or the tribe why would they be sneaky about it?  My bet is the bulls we are finding are shot at night by locals spot lighting or a hunter that figures he deserves a elk since he's hunted hard or some bs like that. I don't like the treatys any more than the rest  of you but if we worked on catching the guys we can prosicute then the herds would be in better shape no doubt.

[mebco09]

Agreed.  We all would be better off if we could prosecute all those who poach.  My definition of poaching may not be consistent with others definitions however.  There are people (both indian and white) who call themselves hunters who are really poachers or at the very least unethical hunters.     

That said, I don't think the intent of the tribal hunters is to piss off the white hunters.  I don't think taking the best cuts of meat off an animal and leaving the rest to rot is being sneaky, or meant to piss someone else off, I think it is just being lazy.  The whole process of field dressing and quartering a large animal is a long one, and ideally requires more than one person, or one person and some equipment (hoist, winch atv etc.).   

The bottom line is, however, unless someone is seen shooting an animal and leaving it to rot, we can only speculate on who did it.  For all we know, it could have been an archery or muzzleloader permit hunter who said "screw it, too much work."  Ill take the horns and backstraps and go back to the truck. (not likely, but possible)

Along those lines, and a little off topic, something that I have thought about for awhile is why don't those tribal hunters use the benefit of their treaty rights and try earning their elk.  I would have a ton of respect for a tribal guy who packed in, camoed out and called in a giant elk, using his rifle or whatever during the bugle season, and then took out all the meat and fed his family.  Those are the hunts that we all dream about.  Basically a Governors tag every year.  So what if the season is only open to him.  In my opinion, this kind of hunt was the intent of their treaty.

I don't think there are many guys on this board who dream about a great road hunt with a case of Rainier Ice in a blue 79 chevy where they take a 350" bull, gut shot.  And then take the backstraps only and antlers down to the Yakima sportsmans show.

I don't think that anyone on this site would have a negative opinion of the tribes if they did it right, and this would be a done topic.   

[seth30]

  videotape it and put it on youtube!

[coachcw]

no doubt that , there are guys both indian and white that are lazy and the facts are there are poachers on both sides , I know a coastal indian that kills 5-8 elk a year for his extended familly and they don't waste meat , infact they follow antler point restrictsons from year to year . I used to really resent the Indians for there hunting rights and do believe that there's some thing wrong with the area an quatas they get. but really I'm jellous . The thing is If someone IE us don't take the high road insted of bashing all indians then we will never get any where in working with the tribes . People including myself get real defensive when we are accussed of something or lumped into a sterio type. Hell there's alot of beer drinking elk hunters with a branched bull tag in there pocket and shot off aroad , I don't what to be put into the same catigory as them . I think if work together as stewarts of the land along with the ethical tribal hunters we would have a much better chance in changing there policy on how they deal with wasting of game. Just to clarify I believe anyone that wastes game in that manor is a poaher and should be delt with , i just don't want to point fingers intell we are sure who's doing it.

[RippinLips]

no f nnnnnnn wonder why the bull ratio sucks there .I'd be ok if the used wood arrows , long bow and a horse.

i agree... if it was done the same way it was 150 years ago id be fine with it but now days its bs they drive around drink their fire water find the first animal shoot a horrible shot cut the good meat an leave the rest and their all complete a holes about it too. every one of em ive ever met are exactly like that

[go4itlab]

I have a great idea why don't we give them whisky and blankets infected with smallpox. Round up the ones that don't die or we haven't killed and put them on a post stamp size piece of land. Then we'll take there kids away and send them to some *censored*ed up boarding school, beat them and give them white people names. Who's with me!!!!

[bobcat]

How about just take back the reservations and all their special rights and let them live like normal citizens of the United States? Why are we still discriminating against a particular race in 2010 (caucasians).