good day 4 the tribe

[monster_bull]

Whats goin on Costal Native?

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If this is true then why do so many of you pass on opportunities to harvest cows or lesser bulls to kill trophy size bulls?Answer to this

question.. i do shoot cows. and i do shoot bulls. why does the white man put in for buck tags? or for bull tags? same resason i shoot bulls.

[goosegetter79]

Whats goin on Costal Native?

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If this is true then why do so many of you pass on opportunities to harvest cows or lesser bulls to kill trophy size bulls?Answer to this

question.. i do shoot cows. and i do shoot bulls. why does the white man put in for buck tags? or for bull tags? same resason i shoot bulls.

Us "white men" only get to kill one a year not multiple deer or elk so why not put in for that shot at getting a decent animal.

[Coastal_native]

I was trying to pretend I could outsmart a blacktail buck this evening...you guys are lucky you can see so far on the eastside.  Us natives on the westside actually have to be sneaky

did you see 6x6racks post about wanting me to write something addressing the situation on this thread...I think you'd be better suited to do that, I don't know &%$# about whats going on over there.  I started posting because the comments started to strike a nerve.  All I intended to do is testify to the tribal situation on the westside.  

Lets here about it from your perspective...be as diplomatic and honest as possible.

What is your tribes position on this...Is it just a few guys giving the tribe a bad rep...Are you guys just re-acting to a season the state sets in your traditional area like people commented on...Do you guys feud with WDFW like other tribes.  

Obviously nobody likes the fact that we harvest multiple branched bulls in a season...but I've already explained that from our perspective.  

I had to look at a map to see where the hell the colockum even was...I've driven through there, but I didn't know it was elk country.

[monster_bull]

ya alot of elk up there. ya there are some tribal members giving us a bad name up there. i tell them the same old stuff but its never enough. they just want us to quit hunting up there. but that was my land before they kicked us off. but we still retain the hunting rights. but there augment is that they brought the elk in there and all of this. so i do what i do. i hunt, i kill. i eat, i enjoy. u know how is.

[Coastal_native]

Earlier you said you saw a lot of bulls up there this year, but some other guys have been saying that there aren't any bulls up there.  When I used to do monitoring flights during the state seasons in our area to check on our radio marked elk, we could never find any bulls during the MF season...we would find the cow herds, but no bullls.  A week after the season was over every heard would have a branch bull in it again.  It's like they hide under rocks...I don't blame them.  I don't know what its like on your side during MF, but over here it can get a little crowded to say the least.

[colockumelk]

ya alot of elk up there. ya there are some tribal members giving us a bad name up there. i tell them the same old stuff but its never enough. they just want us to quit hunting up there. but that was my land before they kicked us off. but we still retain the hunting rights. but there augment is that they brought the elk in there and all of this. so i do what i do. i hunt, i kill. i eat, i enjoy. u know how is.

You are so dense.  When have I EVER said that you should quite hunting?  This herd is in need of desperate help.  All of the statistics and research says so.  All any of us have asked is that the Yakamas practise some conservation and some responsible game managment and limit its members to one bull a year.  You know you CAN eat cows. Bulls arent the only things you can eat.  We are all Americans.  I am just as Native as you are.  Would it hurt the Yakamas nation to submit harvest reports?  What harm could that do. (I think we both know the answer to that question)  I will pay you $10,000 if you can come up with ONE single instance where the Yakama nation has contributed ANYTHING positive to the Colockum elk herd.  

All we are asking is that you meet us half way in helping this herd out.  After all the treaty did say "in common with" right?  That means equal right?  Well we have sacrificed and imposed alot stiffer regulations to try and help this herd out.  And what does the Yakamas do?  You instead kill more and more branch bulls every year.  Whitefoot kills 6 and you kill4 bulls a year there.  You metnioned this year you "Cut back" and only killed four in there.  Would it have hurt you to shoot one nice bull for your wall and then shoot some cows?  It would be nice if your tribe actually contributed to wildlife managment.  

Again we're not talking about taking away rights.  We're just asking for help in saving an elk herd.  If your people really were the original conservationists I HIGHLY doubt they would look favorably upon the actions of your tribe in regards to the Colockum elk herd.  FYI here's a lsit of what we've given up in the name of conservation.

In the past Ten years we've lost
Branch Bull permits have been reduce by 10x
There is not Muzzle Loader General season
Archers must shoot spikes only.  No cows.
There are not any cow permits for hunters.
True Spike Only

So what has your tribe done to help out?

[colockumelk]

Coastal FYI this is Monster Bulls stance on the situation!!!

Do you realize that you just let more yakamas now where the clockim is? so before you do that agin better think twice. instead of a hand full of inidans now there a twice as many. good going.

i spend so much time in the colokum you dont even now. i bet i see more elk then you ever had you whole life. i have seen so many bulls this year. And remington300mag how many bulls have you shot. oh thats right u can only shoot spikes. lol. i work for my elk i hunt for big bulls. i am saying that you dont want all the natives up here. but keep it up  300winmag i just might bring the rez and then will see who is talking crap.

ok i will bring all the natives up to the Colokum. fine with me.. too bad for you guys and your elk heard. 

i dont blame them because i get to shoot bulls bucks cows does cougars all kinds of *censored*. hahah. and you just get to kill little baby true spikes. lol. have fun with that big guy . coastal native i am coming over to that thread.

[bobcat]

It's pretty obvious since the Yakamas have no respect for OUR elk, that the only solution will be to close every damn road in the area. The hunting will then be great for those with horses or those willing to backpack in a few miles. If they do that I would start hunting there.  Going to permit only won't even help. Not if the indians just take advantage of it and kill even more elk. Road closures are the only solution.  

[monster_bull]

our elk my elk who cares. you mad i am mad. this is how it was with the indians and the whites back in the day. white guy always claiming every living thing they can put there hands on. And yes that is how i feel when you guys talk crap. so i will rub it in your face. so go cry about it. and colokum elk do you even have a real life?  just wondering. and gess what i will shoot what i want to because ITS my right! remember that. ITS MY RIGHT.

[monster_bull]

bobcat -- good thinking but it wont happen. you can put a gate up. wait a minute. that is a good idea. do that then i can hunt in peace,

[bobcat]

our elk my elk who cares. you mad i am mad. this is how it was with the indians and the whites back in the day. white guy always claiming every living thing they can put there hands on. And yes that is how i feel when you guys talk crap. so i will rub it in your face. so go cry about it. and colokum elk do you even have a real life?  just wondering. and gess what i will shoot what i want to because ITS my right! remember that. ITS MY RIGHT.

Would you hunt there if you had to walk 5 miles to get to the elk?

[monster_bull]

i wouldnt walk i would drive right thru the gate because i would have the key and u wouldnt

[remington300mag]

our elk my elk who cares. you mad i am mad. this is how it was with the indians and the whites back in the day. white guy always claiming every living thing they can put there hands on. And yes that is how i feel when you guys talk crap. so i will rub it in your face. so go cry about it. and colokum elk do you even have a real life?  just wondering. and gess what i will shoot what i want to because ITS my right! remember that. ITS MY RIGHT.

And he is back....to prove his intelligence one more time......

Did anyone else noticed tonight that he mentioned that he has shot cows this year too.....so with 4 admitted bulls, and god knows how many cows...I wonder what the true number of elk this one Yakima Indian has taken out of the Colokum this year?!?!?

Notice too that it struck a nerve with him about closing roads down.....

[Coastal_native]

colockum,

I understand what you are trying to say, but I know monster bull has a stance somewhere amidst all his frustration.  I can go back through this thread and find some comments that are downright offensive and have no place in this forum.  That being said...monster and I respond to the comments differently and it probably has a lot to do with the fact that its his backyard and not mine.

[monster_bull]

remington300mag- there he is. hey girl whats up. lol.   . you keeping count. how did it get to four bulls? werid. anyways i shot deer too.