Varmint Rifle caliber?

[Buckmark]

6mm rem

[Hyde]

Thanks all for the comments.  I'll have you know I have officially changed my mind about 5 times now since my original post.  You all make good points.  I had a 204 Ruger and that thing (Ruger #1 with heavy barrel) was a tack driver.  I also had a 223 Remington VS, and it was also a shooter, but I didn't care for the balance of the rifle.  I have always wanted the 22-250, and Carp brings up a valid and excellent point.  What if you get that once in a lifetime chance at a cougar?  (I've been in the woods 40 years now and have seen 1 cougar).  Recoil is not a consideration for me, I have never been especially shy of recoil (except on a 378 Weatherby, OUCH).  As I mentioned, I no longer reload, and have no plans to start.  I know... I'm missing out on one of the pleasures of the game, but I simply don't have time.  I have always wanted to hunt prairie dogs in Wyoming, and I assume the 22-250 may be a little much for that.  For the coyote hunting I want to do, I think it really boils down to the 22-250, or the 223.  I'm half a tick past center, leaning towards the 22-250...

I hope the debate continues for a while, I'm enjoying everyone's comments. 

[king]

...the .204 is the flattest shooting gun you will find. Any wind however, it drifts pretty good.

bad info.  The .204 has a higher BC and drifts less than comparible calibers.

Your telling me that a 40 grain .204 bullet has less drift than a 55 grain .22? Your dreaming! Even though the 250 may have a better BC for wind resistance, it is much heavier and will buck the wind. Try it. Also, at 500 yrds and the .204 is going to drop right around 26"  and the 22-250 is around 28" with a 45 grain bullet (just about as light as you want to get with the 250) and the heavier bullets (55-60 grn) will drop even more. Which puts the .204 flatter shooting than some of the classic flat shooting rifles. 25-06, 338 RUM, .270, 7mm Mag, etc. You can look at ballistics all day but getting out and shooting these rifles you see what each one will do at different ranges in different wind situations.

Yes, I am actually stating that it is a fact that a 40 grain .204 bullet has less drift than any 55 grain .224.  Its not a dream.  No arguement on the trajectory, but you are flat wrong on the wind drift. 

Well I hate to back out of this argument but I can sure as heck tell you that if I had a yote standing at 300 with a 15 mph wind that I would pick the 22-250 every day of the week. Whatever works for you is respectable.

[danceswitharrows]

223 if you want the AR platform but if you want a real rifle then 22-250 or 204. 
I prefer my 204 

[Big10gauge]

20 tac in AR if you want a real coyote gun 

[jjhunter]

Les Baer also makes a nice .204....

After 300 or so coyote kills, I would go with the .204, hands down.  I shot a 22-250 from ages 11-24.   It is a great round - the "King of Varmint Cartridges".   However, from 0-500 yards, the .204 is without peer.    My go-to is a Cooper MTV in .204.   It is the deadliest rifle I have ever had in my hands - pure magic.  I shoot 40 grain v-max.

[Big10gauge]

So is this turned into a hijacked thread for .20 cal rifles? Almost new, one owner, slightly over 100 coyotes on this one
.204

[seth30]

I have a 223 bolt action that shoots straight and true

[Hyde]

So is this turned into a hijacked thread for .20 cal rifles? Almost new, one owner, slightly over 100 coyotes on this one
.204

Sweet camo job.  How did you do the camo?   I had a Stag lefty, but it went with the rest that got sold.  I'll get another one some day. 

[Big10gauge]

It's really easy to do just make sure you clean it real good then spray on a base coat which was the tan, then use some sea sponge and dip it in one of the other colors and apply. After it dries spray with a matte clear coat.

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[carpsniperg2]

"I no longer reload, and have no plans to start.  I know... I'm missing out on one of the pleasures of the game, but I simply don't have time.  I have always wanted to hunt prairie dogs in Wyoming, and I assume the 22-250 may be a little much for that."

22-250 shells can be found just about any place. along with the 223 shells. the 22-250 shells are more but not to spendy. the 22-250 is a great prairie dog round and definanlty not to much for them. i know a lot of guys that hunt with with 22-250. it is a very good cal. there is nothing wrong with any of the cals listed. they all can get the job done.

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204rug 32grain silver tip:  0 at 100yards wd 1" energy 860lbs   250 yards -3.5" wd 6.8 energy 540lbs
500 yards -36" wd 32.8" energy 221lbs

22-250 50 garin silver tip: 0 at 100yards wd 1" energy 1240lbs  250yards -3.9" wd 6 energy 822lbs
500 yards -37" wd 29" energy 383lbs

i like to be able to have a bigger bullet with more energy down range myself. other then energy they shoot almost the same for tradjectory and close in wind drift but the software that i use says 3" more with the 32grain 204. the energy is what is big to me, a little under double the 204's energy at 500 yards. not bashing any thing just useful info for you to make up you mind with. i have nothing against any of the cals listed. they will all "work".

[rbros]

You could split the difference and get a 223AI.  Performance is very, very close to a 22-250, yet uses less powder and brass is cheaper.  It is a reload only, but you can fire factory 223's in also.  Just a thought.

I have both and build more 223AI's than I do 22-250's for guys.  75gr bullets out of a 22" barrel at 3100 is what most guys use.  50's seem to run around the 3500fps mark using around 28gr of powder.

[tlbradford]

carpsniper - If energy is the most important thing to you than you should not use the 32 grain vmax.  You should use 40 grain vmax, 39 bk's, 45 sp's.  Your comparison should be done with a heavier bullet to be fair.

Back to real life performance, which is what king and most folks are interested in, the 32 grain vmax consistently enters the body cavity of a coyote and explodes with no exit.  It is not the downrange energy that kills the coyote, it is the severe trauma to internal organs.  This performance is consistent enough from ranges of 50 yards to 300 yards to make it my factory load of choice.  This statement is only meant for hunting situations that I encounter when calling coyotes for 95% of my stands.  This means Eastern Washington terrain, with virtually no chance of calling in a cougar, and distances of 5 yards to 500 yards.   

There are better reloads and factory loads for better ballistics.  There are better bullet choices for Western Washington hunters who might encounter a cougar.  (Believe me I would shoot a called in cougar with a 39 bk or higher weight bullet in a heartbeat if I called it in, and would not have the slightest doubt it would kill cleanly)  There are better choices for prairie dog shooters, the barnes varmint grenade for one. 

King - you don't have to back out of any arguement, we are here to discuss things in a way that others may learn from.  You gave a ton of good info in your post, and I merely corrected a very small fraction of it so folks wouldn't get the wrong impression.  FWIW, you are correct that my 32 grain vmax which I like to shoot, will drift more in the wind than your .224 rounds at a variety of bullet weights.   

For you reloaders out there, here is a great excel spreadsheet with a variety of bc's for most of the bullets that are manufactured.

[Big10gauge]

Wasn't it about this time last year that we had the .204 / .224 debate? 

.204 32 gr Hornady factory load with 100 yrd zero
100yrd Drop 0        wind def   .90"      965KE
250yd  Drop .18     wind def  6.05"     634 KE
500yd  Drop 24.78  wind def  28.46"   293 KE


.204 40 gr Hornady factory load with 100 yrd zero
100yrd Drop 0        wind def   .74"    1115 KE
250yd  Drop 1.28   wind def  4.84"    808 KE
500yd  Drop 24.34  wind def  21.84"   455 KE

[Special T]

I shot a Colt AR .223 with the Nikon BDR for yotes last friday... WOW! it had a light and 20 in barrel... I would buy one in a heart beat if i had the $1600 for the package... I've always wanted a 22-250 but could never find a deal on one... I guess if i'm gona drop $800 for a dedicated preditor rifle i might as well get a semi auto and go all the way...  If i can afford the $800 then what the hell is another $800. I'm getting a little work done to my 06 right now and am working with a custome reloader to try and work up a good accelerator round.... even if that don't work my 06 will still kill yotes, even if its not as sexy as ripid firing and walking it in  on a yote at 450 yards.