THEY'RE AT IT AGAIN

[high country]

what is gonna happen when the native population gets diminished to nonexsitant numbers because of breeding with non-natives? will they reduce the % requirements at that point to keep the traditions alive?

[MAVsled]

There is definately some bad apples out there that take advantage of their treaty rights and break tribal game laws...my advice would be to not categorize them as tribal hunters, but poachers instead...because every hunter (tribal or nontribal) hates poachers.

there it is and spot on.
I have witnessed good & bad tribal hunters in the field, both west and east of the Cascades. It seems the good ol boys are gone, with very few left with any hunting ethics. For once, I'd like to see or read where tribal authority apprehended tribal violators and actually penalized those severely* for their violations of tribal laws.
*as in what the WDFW would do to non-tribal violators of their regulations.

For years I talked with a Yakama tribal hunter in the 356, off 1500 rd. He shared good info about the area and the talks around his campfire were enlightening with his experience. He had respect for the elk and deer.
it appears in print as if Coastal is one of the few.

[uplandhunter870]

might as well just get used to it ridge line, thats simply the way it is and the way it will be for the rest of our lifes. no sense having a heart attack over something you cant change or control.

[Coastal_native]

Far too many Yakamas take advantage of the laws. We get sick of the amount of bull tags decrease every year while at the same time seeing bulls and bucks shot in their winter range and at the feed stations. Because of the Yakamas the WDFW closed two feed stations to the public to protect the bulls from the Yakamas. They also gated the mudlake and wenas to protect the deer on their winter range.

What the Yakamas do is legal by their regs. But just because its legal doesn't make it right or ethical or moral or responsible. Of course the Yaks try to deny any of this. Which is why they REFUSE to do harvest reports or help the WDFW Biologists. Because they know if they did then they couldn't deny their impact on the herds. 

Most of us are sick of paying for what the Yakamas do with stiffer and more restrictive game regs. Things need to change so the regs CANT be taken advantage of. Most Yakamas are law abiding citizens. And just like people of all races we will take whatever the law will allow. THE PROBLEM is NOT the people its their government and the current regulations.

Colockumelk,

I noticed on another thread that someone posted Yakima Nation's Tribal Wildlife Code.  According to tribal law the feeding stations are closed to hunting from Dec 15th to March 31st.  Do you guys still see them hunting the feeding stations during those time frames?  Does the state ever issue population control tags on the feeding areas?  What is the time period that the elk really start to use the feeding stations heavily?

Also....I'm still not sure I agree with you about the regs and tribal government being the problem.  Our state and federal government have laws that enable us with the tools to do horrible unethical things everyday, like allowing us to own guns or to drink alcohol...but I'm a firm believer that guns don't kill people...people kill people.

After rereading that analogy I can see some false logic in it...but I really thought I had a point, so I don't want to delete it.

Hey, did you make it home for the holidays....where ever home is?  I remember you said you were out of state.

Don't forget to give thanks to my ancestors for helping your ancestors make it through there first few winters here on this beautiful continent!  That was a joke...probably in poor taste given the topic of the thread.

[Thenewguy]

someone please delete the crap in this thread. I am really learning alot from Coastal.

[TheHunt]

BAR C3 is right on with his comments regarding prison.  I went to high school with a person who just got out of serving eight years.   He said the samething.  The indians do not get messed with.  There is a skin head group that also do not get messed with as well.  He was in the Oregon State Pen... 

[BlackRidge]

.....Hmm this thread went off in an interesting direction

Thanks Coastal

[colockumelk]

Nah coastal that was pretty funny. Hey did you hear about Angelina Jolie and Thanksgiving. Silly hippy actors.

As for the Yakamas hunting the feed stations. They are not supposed to but the ones that got caught didn't get in trouble. The Yakamas have rules but they don't "police" their own. The closures I stated above happened because of the Yakamas. I understand that every group has bad apples but the difference between us and them is we convict and punish our bad apples. The Yakamas don't. Do they have laws yes they do. Do they enforce them... NO!!!

So the question remains how long do we sit idle and let one untouchable group of people rape the game herds? (I don't advocate violance. Deer and elk are not worth harm to other human beings. When I say do something I mean court rulings,  attending council meetings and other act of diplomacy) And remember the Yakamas don't contribute ANYTHING to elk or deer.

As far as making it home sadly no. Its okay I hear its pretty cold in WA. I'd probably die. It was 80 yesterday.

[TikkaT3-270Shortmag]

Why does a good thread always get jacked.  Quit whining folks and make your voice heard.  Im so tired of hearing the bitching on here its like high school.  Gets old real quick.  We cant go around acting like police officers then run home to your computer and bitch about it. Take the proper actions if you think something illegal being done.  Did you call a gamie?

[Michelle_Nelson]

BAR C3 and FC.  Quit taunting each other.  Quit talking to each other all billy bad ass.  I've deleted 1/3 of this thread because of your useless dribble. 

[boneaddict]

What would fire many of you up is its not Sustinence met they are after.  THEY ARE SELLING IT.   Good money in meat.  Just as much as the antlers on ebay.   Its not to feed a needy family on the rez.

[Coastal_native]

What would fire many of you up is its not Sustinence met they are after.  THEY ARE SELLING IT.   Good money in meat.  Just as much as the antlers on ebay.   Its not to feed a needy family on the rez.

That does fire me up...I hate hearing about game meat getting sold illegally on the black market, or butcher shops getting busted being involved in that crap.  I also don't understand why people want to sell their antlers...I see it all the time though...people selling their antlers or trophies, it happens all over the world.

I'd love to know specifically who "they" are, because they're giving people who do provide meat to needy families a bad name.

I think I know who "they" aren't...they're not Indians...or Yakima's...or nontribal hunters...or rednecks.

I'm pretty sure "they" are unethical, ignorant people that need to be policed by who ever their governing body is.

[julzzz]

I heard that Natives can harvest a goat and sheep every year.  It takes as a lifetime for us to draw just one tag.  I heard this straight from a native juvenile.  between 16 and 18 yrs old.  It doesn't make it fact, he could be just blowin smoke.

[Michelle_Nelson]

I believe the Colville tribal hunters have to put in for a drawing.  The way I understood it is we have say 4 tags and they get 4 tags to draw.  That is for sheep.  I am not sure about goat.

[BAR C3]

If you have a prolem with my "authority" as you like to call it, I really could care less.  Couple people posted on this thread asking for it to be cleaned up.  I saw no point in leaving posts where 2 guys were throwing taunts at each other to get a reaction out of the other.   

I'm okay with you deleting it Michelle. Your Right, it did get out of hand especially on Thanksgiving. So I apologize. When it becomes personal, I get pretty mad and say what I really think.