Illegal to hunt coyotes at night.

[Kain]

Sure doesnt seem like it pays to be responsible.  They were looking for some kind of loophole all along to change or eliminate night hunting.  This is pretty weak though.  I dont think it could ever hold up in court but how much would it cost to find out?  I know I dont have the resources.

[bearmanric]

this is the Lady that is going to change night because the Game Warden was killed at night in GA. Glad i didnt buy a new Light. this is why i waited. dont piss Her off Please or we will Lose alot more. Rick

[Curly]

Makes me wonder if she doesn't have anything better to worry about................

[whacker1]

I love how our State Government agencies have the ability to use their own interpretation against their own printed materials on laws that have been established for long periods of time. 

Kain,

Print the entire dialogue and forward to Representative Ed Orcutt from the Longview area..  Let him in on the rule making that Lori is putting forth without actually going through the Rule Making process.  The legislature slapped Mike Kreidler, Insurance Commissioner's, hands for the same sort of activity about 5 years ago.  They called it Rule Making without going through the process......It is a political no no for appointed positions.  Happens with Department of Revenue, Labor and Industries, Insurance Commissioner and others

Ed Orcutt may be one of your legislators as he represents most of Clark and Cowlitz counties and is passionate about the outdoors.  He has gone toe to toe with WDFW on prior occassions specific to the falsified information provided by WDFW on the winter kill of the St Helens Elk Herd about 4 years ago.  (wdfw quit counting bodies when they reached the number that proved their estimates to be accurate, when in reality the number was much greater). 

Again, let Ed know that he needs to be gentle as she is in a position to work against sporstsmen and women, but something needs to be done.  Can't let people put their own agenda in front of printed materials.  This has BS written all over it.

[Kain]

I will wait a couple of days.  So far they seem to be willing to have a dialog and maybe they may change their minds.    I have presented my case and provided sources that, I feel, backs it up.  I am going to try and give them the benefit of the doubt and not assume they are out to eliminate hunting opportunity on a whim or personal objections even though it seems like it.  Sean Carrell seems like he might just be stuck in the middle and is not making decision but providing information he is given.

This could potentially effect all of us so I dont want to get them all riled up and on the defensive or go over their heads because I have a slanted opinion of the department as a whole.   Any advice is welcome though and I will keep you all posted on what happens.

[VarmintVentilator]

Good info Whacker1,  learn something new everyday.  Thanks.

[Special T]

Kain... I think that is the best course of action.. If there is a discrepancy in the rules/law then the discrepancy should be fixed... Maybe letting the rep know about the discrepancy  is all that is necessary if the WDFW does not fix it....

[whacker1]

Kain - good call.  Give it a couple of days to think and let them do the same.

Thanks for bringing us into the loop.  I assume the worst with WA State government agencies as I ran into some other issues with Dept of Commerce and L & I today.  Doesn't directly affect me, but must shake my head wondering what is going through these people's heads.

[7mag.]

I always carry the current regs with me while hunting, so, if I kill a coyote at night, I have written proof of legality, from the state. It says it plain as day, night hunting of coyotes is legal. I don't care what some desk jockey woman thinks about it. It's in print, from the WDFW.

[ICEMAN]

Go hunt the damn dogs. I would not cave to her "interpretation" of anything. I would continue to do what you have done for years. If cited, fight it. If she gave you an interpretation that said no hunting of anything would we comply until a better interpretation floated by?

[saylean]

I wonder if anyone knows what is going on there sometime...

I had a warden tell me this year that scents (Bear bombs) were not baiting, but shooting a bear over a gutpile of a legally killed animal was.

I would hunt the dogs, as it is stated in the regs. Piss on what she says.

[Gamblin Guy]

Kain,

You might want to send this guy a copy of your emails. 

Deputy Chief Mike Cenci, Field Operations
Mike.Cenci@dfw.wa.gov

[Special T]

I think it is good to get clarification, however i would put the regs in a gallon zip lock and go hunting... We are ALL doing something illegal in some way nearly every day... If i get a ticket or warning from an officer I am very polite, but ask to have them show me the law or rule i broke so that i understand... it is so difficult trying to  keep up with all the regs we have in our life you could have a full time job just to clarify what you are doing is legal... The most important thing when going this route is not failing the attitude test when talking with the officer... I had a short chat with a Commercial Vehicle Enforcement Officer not so long ago (CVEO are Washington State Patrol) About a rule change i got a written warning on...No fine.. I asked him how i would know of this change in statute... His reply was that it changes so much he can barely keep up with all the nuances of the law... If a Cop has problems keeping up with changes how the hell can Citizens who are just trying to live life?

[Ridgeratt]

I have hunted yotes after dark and have always contacted the local warden for the area. That way they know my intent. Some times they have requested I hold off until the late archery season has closed. That's an easy request to honor! I tell them where I'm going to be hunting so they don't have to get out of their Jammies to drive over and find me doing something that is legal. But it also works in their favor as well I have been contacted by them asking if I had heard any thing out of the ordinary as well.   

[Kain]

Yep got the local officers card in my wallet.