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Re: One less bull in the Tieton Dr. herd...
« Reply #105 on: December 14, 2010, 12:02:39 PM »
A few gated off roads would help this situation out a ton... I don't foresee these tribal guys doing to much hiking.  Theres a recurring "back the truck up to the animal" theme with these guys.

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Re: One less bull in the Tieton Dr. herd...
« Reply #106 on: December 14, 2010, 12:42:44 PM »
I'm not from the east side, but hope to get enough points to draw a good tag over there someday. It's just sad that in 6 or 10 years when I do, well there might not be any big bulls left! Really a bum deal when people get greedy and lose respect for the animal. I really pride myself on being ethical and giving the animals a fair chance. For those who like to photograph the elk, let's keep it to ourselves where we take the pics, don't want these guy finding anymore big bulls ya know. :bash:

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Re: One less bull in the Tieton Dr. herd...
« Reply #107 on: December 14, 2010, 12:52:57 PM »
I respect the elk way more than I do those Indians that pull this kind of crap and any non native poachers, we should have finished the job a couple hundred years ago. I know this will piss some of you off but I can't stand this crap anymore and not saying whats on my mind is hard for me to do.
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 :yeah: :yeah: :yeah: :yeah: This is the nicest way of saying what I think...."Should have finished the job a couple hundred years ago"......
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Re: One less bull in the Tieton Dr. herd...
« Reply #108 on: December 14, 2010, 01:28:11 PM »
should do this should do that should video camera this and video camera that good luck with what u all r trying do.

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Re: One less bull in the Tieton Dr. herd...
« Reply #109 on: December 14, 2010, 02:29:48 PM »
Just how many bullets ya gonna need for them sealions and wolves? I can't save helpless elk, but maybe some salmon and sturgeon ;)

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Re: One less bull in the Tieton Dr. herd...
« Reply #110 on: December 14, 2010, 02:58:59 PM »
So 400, are you saying I shouldn't have posted what I saw for anybody to read? That the mods should have deleted my original post?

I'm not willing to accept the idea/fact that "we can't touch the tribe" mentality that the government has. So I posted my story on here. And this same story will end up in a Letter to the Editor in the Yakima Herald soon. And I'll try to get video next time. None of this public voicing can hurt.

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Re: One less bull in the Tieton Dr. herd...
« Reply #111 on: December 14, 2010, 03:04:41 PM »
Good for you.  I am looking forward to seeing it.  Let us know if they publish it

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Re: One less bull in the Tieton Dr. herd...
« Reply #112 on: December 14, 2010, 07:44:54 PM »
I know everyone is beyond the point of caring about the tribal perspective, but.........I decided I'm going to spout off again.

I personally like to see these types of posts because it emphasizes the fact that there is tension between state/tribal hunters...and it needs attention.  For the record I thought the OP did a better job than most describing the situation only because he gave testimony to the tribal members breaking a law and being unethical.  In some cases like "Good day 4 the tribe" and "They're at it again" it was simply someone seeing tribal members with elk in the back of their truck...and that alone was enough to start an uproar. 

As a tribal member I would be happy if the only tension between state/tribal hunters was because of the difference of seasons/bag limits/regs...but that's not the case.  A lot of times the resentment starts when someone witnesses a tribal member doing something illegal or unethical...and then it's a downward spiral.  Because of this, tribes should take extra precautions to protect their public image...by policing and making examples out of abusers, especially with wasting.  I see some improvements on this in my area and from what Bigdogg said earlier it sounds like the Yaks may be hiring some additional enforcement officers.  Obviously there is some work to be done still in order to come remotely close to meeting my desired future condition above.  I understand if non tribal hunters will always hold a grudge, but as long as they still have the "abuse" argument to fall back on they will continue to pass the hatred on to another generation of hunters...maybe in their mind it's justifiable, but that would still be unfortunate.

I have no problems with people making posts about witnessing poachers, whether tribal or nontribal.  The only thing that really ticks me off about this whole thing is that WDFW game wardens don't think its worth their time to at least respond when there is no confirmation as to whether or not they're tribal, although that's already been said.

On a more serious matter...I challenge anyone to dig deep in their heart and come up with one positive thing that would have come from killing ALL Native Americans in the name of conquest...isn't that similar to some of the situations we send our soldiers over seas to try to prevent?  Would you really be a happier hunter if a few more native American women and children were murdered?  I understand the mods frustration, but is that really the message that hunters from Hunt Wa want to portray...this is the current state of hunting in washington?



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Re: One less bull in the Tieton Dr. herd...
« Reply #113 on: December 15, 2010, 07:32:36 AM »
I would be happier if the tribes legally hunted and fished just like the rest of us. It's racism to me that your tribes are treated differently than us, you guys don't need our assistance any more. Sometimes when I hear these stories deep down I may wish bad thoughts, sorry but we are very, very passionate about this.
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Re: One less bull in the Tieton Dr. herd...
« Reply #114 on: December 15, 2010, 07:43:47 AM »
I have two questions.

1) How many "rights" do you think Indians would have if say the Portuguese, Spaniards or one of the Asian countries would have landed here first?  Do you really think they would have taken the "natives" into account and given them anything except a death sentence or a slave collar.  My point is that someone was going to land on this continent and though things certainly didn't go picture perfect I think all "native americans" should be somewhat thankful it was "whitey" that landed here and stuck around and not someone else.  Now before you go and get all spun out of control, sit and think how BAD it could have gone.  Then reply.

2) How does everyone think things would go if we left big game management up to the Indians?  Say we throw our hands in the air and make a general open statement that the gloves are off and Indians can do freely as they want without ANY retaliation and bitching from anyone.  All indians could shoot kill and do whatever they want to big game animals.  Does ANYONE think they would use ANY kind of self control or would it just be an all out slaughter with dead animals laying in waste???

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Re: One less bull in the Tieton Dr. herd...
« Reply #115 on: December 15, 2010, 12:36:23 PM »
I know everyone is beyond the point of caring about the tribal perspective, but.........I decided I'm going to spout off again.

I personally like to see these types of posts because it emphasizes the fact that there is tension between state/tribal hunters...and it needs attention.  For the record I thought the OP did a better job than most describing the situation only because he gave testimony to the tribal members breaking a law and being unethical.  In some cases like "Good day 4 the tribe" and "They're at it again" it was simply someone seeing tribal members with elk in the back of their truck...and that alone was enough to start an uproar. 

As a tribal member I would be happy if the only tension between state/tribal hunters was because of the difference of seasons/bag limits/regs...but that's not the case.  A lot of times the resentment starts when someone witnesses a tribal member doing something illegal or unethical...and then it's a downward spiral.  Because of this, tribes should take extra precautions to protect their public image...by policing and making examples out of abusers, especially with wasting.  I see some improvements on this in my area and from what Bigdogg said earlier it sounds like the Yaks may be hiring some additional enforcement officers.  Obviously there is some work to be done still in order to come remotely close to meeting my desired future condition above.  I understand if non tribal hunters will always hold a grudge, but as long as they still have the "abuse" argument to fall back on they will continue to pass the hatred on to another generation of hunters...maybe in their mind it's justifiable, but that would still be unfortunate.

I have no problems with people making posts about witnessing poachers, whether tribal or nontribal.  The only thing that really ticks me off about this whole thing is that WDFW game wardens don't think its worth their time to at least respond when there is no confirmation as to whether or not they're tribal, although that's already been said.

On a more serious matter...I challenge anyone to dig deep in their heart and come up with one positive thing that would have come from killing ALL Native Americans in the name of conquest...isn't that similar to some of the situations we send our soldiers over seas to try to prevent?  Would you really be a happier hunter if a few more native American women and children were murdered?  I understand the mods frustration, but is that really the message that hunters from Hunt Wa want to portray...this is the current state of hunting in washington?


Tribal perspective or not, I agree with what you said, I would also add that us non tribal hunters also need to police our own as well.

That would be a win win if both Tribal and non tribal were more proactive in busting the scumbags.

I also believe most people here do know the difference between a heated disagreement and blatant bigotry, the first is what gets things accomplished the second promotes hatred.
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Re: One less bull in the Tieton Dr. herd...
« Reply #116 on: December 15, 2010, 12:41:07 PM »
I have two questions.

1) How many "rights" do you think Indians would have if say the Portuguese, Spaniards or one of the Asian countries would have landed here first?  Do you really think they would have taken the "natives" into account and given them anything except a death sentence or a slave collar.  My point is that someone was going to land on this continent and though things certainly didn't go picture perfect I think all "native americans" should be somewhat thankful it was "whitey" that landed here and stuck around and not someone else.  Now before you go and get all spun out of control, sit and think how BAD it could have gone.  Then reply.

2) How does everyone think things would go if we left big game management up to the Indians?  Say we throw our hands in the air and make a general open statement that the gloves are off and Indians can do freely as they want without ANY retaliation and bitching from anyone.  All indians could shoot kill and do whatever they want to big game animals.  Does ANYONE think they would use ANY kind of self control or would it just be an all out slaughter with dead animals laying in waste???
:yeah:  Great post.

I would imagine the big game would be wasted much like the "Natives" do with the fish they net.


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Re: One less bull in the Tieton Dr. herd...
« Reply #117 on: December 15, 2010, 04:35:09 PM »
the fish r not wasted we sell every fish we catch damn good money 2 i do it

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Re: One less bull in the Tieton Dr. herd...
« Reply #118 on: December 15, 2010, 04:43:36 PM »
the fish r not wasted we sell every fish we catch damn good money 2 i do it

You should come over to the west side some time. A lot go to waste over here...
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Re: One less bull in the Tieton Dr. herd...
« Reply #119 on: December 15, 2010, 04:44:27 PM »
the fish r not wasted we sell every fish we catch damn good money 2 i do it

That may be true for you,  but i have personally witnessed an irrigation ditch in the Lower Valley filled with over a hundred rotting fish that didn't get sold.... pretty disgusting sight and smell.

 


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