Letter to the Editor: One less bull in the Tieton Dr. herd...

[boneaddict]

This is why I was so adament on dealing with this issue and wolves versus organizations like the WSB messing with lighted nocks.  Sure, all topics are important, but why not post polls on this.  Why not spend time, resources and money to combat this.   As we ALL know its crap.

[400out]

Bone, what is the blue on the gut pile? It seems to be out of the ordinary or am I seeing thing almost looks like writting

[runamuk]

Bone, what is the blue on the gut pile? It seems to be out of the ordinary or am I seeing thing almost looks like writting

looks like garbage to me like a grocery bag

[400out]

Bone, what is the blue on the gut pile? It seems to be out of the ordinary or am I seeing thing almost looks like writting

looks like garbage to me like a grocery bag

Your probably right, Thanks run I knew something looked out of place 

[rhc2000]

real nice did they use a tractor to load it in there pick up

[grundy53]

These animals were shot 200 yards above the hay piles in the Nile feeding station.  The guys who did this were quite proud of there accomplishment. I told them how worthless they were and how any retard can go and shoot elk in a feeding station. The one laughed and said " Isn't it great." My buddy and I stuck around for a few minutes and voiced our opinions and the three of them just laughed it off.

Buckmaster,

This one has the potential to get even more heated down the road...so I thought I'd express my distaste for your actions now in order to get a head start .  I don't agree with harassing the two men or posting their pics online in attempt to discredit them.  If they were outside of the feeding area (I think you said they were?) and were not violating any game laws under their jurisdiction, I don't understand your actions.  I don't agree with killing animals when they are that vulnerable or doing it in the manor it was probably done, but i also don't agree with killing deer out of a treehouse over a food plot either...I try to keep my mouth shut though because I understand my idea of hunting is different than others.  It's also typical of hunters to kill animals outside the edges of areas that are closed to hunting, so I don't necessarily understand the problem with the Yaks taking advantage of the feeding stations.  They could probably use a little harassment this time of year anyway to prevent them from congregating in large numbers and spreading disease.

I personally don't like the idea of hand feeding "wild animals", but I understand why it is done.  IMO, if the habitat base and population size is such that you have to supplemental feed why not just take the surplus animals that would likely die in the woods of starvation and put them in your annual harvest quota for peoples freezers.  Big game mgmt must be difficult over there regardless of the treaty hunting.

Lastly, and probably the most disturbing to me...Most people are going to look at those pictures and use the following observations to base their anger: The two guys are Indian, they aren't wearing camo, they have multiple animals in the back, they have a tribal sticker in the window, they are overweight.  All these things, although irrelevant to the treaty hunting discussion on this forum, will invoke emotion out of people involved in the discussion.  This is no different than the tactic enviros use to push their agenda.

Sorry if I sound like an ass.  Feel free to rip my post appart. Happy New Years.

And there in lies the problem. This kind of horse *censored* is legal for them. what kind of screwed up "Nation" thinks this is exceptable?

[boneaddict]

It was a disposabe floormat, ike you get when you have your rig worked on at the shop.

[boneaddict]

[huntandjeep]

What a bunch of a$$ holes. Thats just what i want my two year old daughter too see.

[Special T]

I think the reason the Yakimas get Beat up on is they SEEM to be the most blatant in your face tribe...
I've heard people complain about other tribes, but i am curious about one thing? What examples do we have of tribes  punishing of their own members for violating TRIBAL rules???

I've commented before that many other tribes at least have some kind of guidelines for harvesting animals on/off the rez.... The Yakimas seem to have none... Is this because the tribe is thumbing their nose at the WDFW and the rest of us? Or do they think there really is no need for some common senses rules regarding harvest? Mind you their regs would not make very many non tribal hunters but some kind management just the same.... I must say there is a big difference between the acts of some individuals and the whole tribe, however if the tribe is not concerned about how member reflect on the tribe then it may not be a stretch to say that the tribe condones this... They may not publicly, but by omission....

[colockumelk]

Colockum,

It's good to hear from you again, I knew someone would rip appart my post.

That's what I do.  

I did not mean for it to come out as a us vs you thing.  So I went back and edited the us part and replaced it with what I meant.  I was just lazy and put us.  Which I shouldn't include the word "us" since I didn't build, design or invent any of those things.    I did invent the Flux Capacitor though, so your welcome for that.  Now time travel is a reality.  

As far as being mad I wasn't angry at all.  I know you hate tree stands and food plots, its not my favorite type of hunting either but since I've been forced to hunt from a stand I can understand why people do it.  I was just trying to explain why I don't think the two were a fair comparison.  

None of this was aimed at you.  I was merely trying to state my opinion.  I didn't mean to piss you off or be controversial at all.  I know these pictures do not put the American Indian in a positive light.  But what else would you have us do.  We complain about what goes on over here and no one listens.  The WDFW doesn't do anything about it.  The Tribes don't either.  Even when they break the law nothing is done.  Our complaints fall on deaf ears.  What needs to happen is the Yakamas need to police their own.  Hold their members accountable.  But they don't and they refuse to.  So this is our last recourse.

Like others said when the non-hunting populace goes up to the feed stations and they see gut piles and blood they instantly think of a White-Poacher and the blame falls on us.  I know because as a hunter I used to think it was white poachers, until I witnessed the things stated above for myself.  Well I am sick of state hunters being blamed for this.  We are not attacking anybody.  This is self-defense.  Its self-defense in that because we are taking the blame for what is happening off of us and putting the blame where it belongs on the Yakamas.  If somebody blamed you for something that you didn't do wouldn't you want to defend your honor and prove your innocense and make sure that the blame fell on whoever did it.?  That's all we are trying to do.  

It is not an isolated incident.  It gets worse and worse every year.  More people have figured out that nothing will happen to them so they go out and get a free meal.  And starting today they can't shoot cows and does.  So instead of cows and does its going to be a couple of bulls and bucks in the back of the truck.  If you were a resident living on the east side and not a tribal member what would you do?

Again I wasn't tryingto offend you or piss you off.  But this is what we see day in and day out up there.  And it gets worse and worse every year.  Wasnt trying to provoke you at all.  And I know if I got you all riled up then I must have said something pretty bad.  So sorry about that.  

[colockumelk]

I must say there is a big difference between the acts of some individuals and the whole tribe, however if the tribe is not concerned about how member reflect on the tribe then it may not be a stretch to say that the tribe condones this... They may not publicly, but by omission....

  

Wish I could be more consise instead of rambling like I do. 

[JimmyHoffa]

And there in lies the problem. This kind of horse *censored* is legal for them. what kind of screwed up "Nation" thinks this is exceptable?

I'm of the thought that laws sometimes establish what are acceptable ethics.  If the state game laws were applicable (and the punishment enforced), then I would think that the natives would adapt and adhere to different ethics.  There are differences in acceptable ethics between non-tribal groups.  Just think how many people think baiting bear and using hounds is ethical, but the majority of the voters in this state didn't seem to think so.  So now there isn't much choice but to comply with those laws.  I would suppose the natives that operate within the law wouldn't do the things mentioned anymore if there were laws against it.  It doesn't seem acceptable to non-natives for the natives to kill large numbers of elk and let them lay eventhough it is legal for them.  Kind of like it is legal and acceptable for non-tribals to kill large numbers of coyotes and let them lay.

[Coastal_native]

Colockum,

I said I'd give you the last word...but..um...ergghh...ok, good post. That's all I wanted to say.

Bone,

Those pictures tell the real story.  That activity puts both hunters and tribal members in a negative public light.  Seeing entrails in the woods during general seasons is different than seeing it on the side of a road next to a refuge area in the winter.  The garbage is even more disturbing.  If you're under the impression I think any of that is acceptable then I've not done a good job outlining my beliefs.  I would have no problem with those pictures being included with an article that outlines the current situation over there...the situation being that the current tribal rules have the potential to cause controversy...for hunters, tribal members, and the general public.  

My idea of the Yaks hunting on the outskirts of the feeding stations has changed somewhat over the course of this thread.  We have a situation on the westside in a GMU where the state has cultivated mitigation fields for elk habitat.  These elk tend to over winter on the fields.  Both the state and tribe sometimes issue depredation hunts for cows clear into January.  It has the potential to be a turkey shoot, but it is a completely different situation and not as visible to the public eye.  This may have blurred my vision.  

I'm constantly arguing (with people that aren't quite as enthusiastic about hunting) that wildlife can be enjoyed by both hunters and people who simply like to view wildlife.  The situation over there kind of contradicts my argument and gives enviro wack jobs ammunition.  

[bchance38]

send it to the Spokesman and the Seattle Times.  I'd love to see this topic brought up all over the state.  It sure seems like there are a lot of these stories every year.