using illumanock in Wa

[dscubame]

 

[sisu]

Hahahahaha so you come out of the wood work to spread your gospel. Well this is mine.

AS Tom Patey said: some folks need a lot to do very little and some need very little to do a lot.

I do see though that the traditional archers of Washington State oppose you. Do you go there to spread your Gospel according to Shawn?

[billythekidrock]

I see them as a crutch that will encourage some to take risky shots.

[ribka]

How the heck did fred Bear, Howard Hill, Pope, Young every manage  to harvest an animal without lumenoks, scent lock and  Bone Collector accessories? I guess some people are attracted to pretty shiny things

[rasbo]

yep shawn,heck why have any restrictions,use cross bows what ever makes it easier,keep it up soon there will be heat seeking arrows...and 2 day seasons

[sisu]

yep shawn,heck why have any restrictions,use cross bows what ever makes it easier,keep it up soon there will be heat seeking arrows...and 2 day seasons

Hell Rasbo, lets not stop there lets just stuff an arrow into a muzzle loader and let 'er rip!
I'm looking at my muzzy now, put a reel on it so you can reel in your catch so there is no guess work on finding the critter..

[rasbo]

They have tracking string that mounts on the stabilizer and attaches to the arrow.  That way you can find animals that run off.  It isn't electric.

ive seen those, dont know anyone that uses them,wonder how or if it affects the shot at all,seems like a good alternative

[Lowedog]

I have still yet to read on argument that makes me believe a lighted nock should not be legal in WA.  The old we never needed them before so why now argument is played out.

This debate sure took an ugly turn.  I guess when you can't make a solid case for your side it is easier to make snide remarks.    

[sisu]

I'll tell what is a snide remark Lowedog. It is when a fella shows up at the Washington Bow Hunters meeting and wants to address this issue and it is never brought up for discussion. Apparently the board decided for the membership what it was going to support and no discussion was required. My membership is gone and out the door. I'll side with the trad hunters any time. I never felt this way before but I am inching more and more toward saying if states like Washington want to allow more and more technology into archery and muzzle loaders why not just have a trad season and send the rest of them into modern rifle season then they can use all the tricks in the book to get "their" critter.

If my comment about having a lot to do a little and having a little to do a lot is snide so be it, but I'll stand my it till I get the Big Chop. There were climbers I knew that bought every gadget in the world to climb a rock or piece of ice. Did it make them better? NO, it did not. What gets you better is practice. If you practice with a wheel bow, recurve bow or long bow you'll be better any day than the man or woman with the gadget equipped bow.

[rasbo]

I have still yet to read on argument that makes me believe a lighted nock should not be legal in WA.  The old we never needed them before so why now argument is played out.

This debate sure took an ugly turn.  I guess when you can't make a solid case for your side it is easier to make snide remarks.    

?? how bout tracers for rifles so you can see where your hitting...I dont believe anyone will change anyone's mind..but where and when does it really stop as to what a person has to have on a bow to take an animal.. seems to me if its that tuff, perhaps one should move to muzzy or rifle.......

[rasbo]

They have tracking string that mounts on the stabilizer and attaches to the arrow.  That way you can find animals that run off.  It isn't electric.

ive seen those, dont know anyone that uses them,wonder how or if it affects the shot at all,seems like a good alternative

It slows down the arrow considerably, snags on branches, the wind will blow it onto the sight pins.......but I only tried it briefly in heavy brush with a bow that couldn't go much past 30 yards....not these 100 yards bows.

thats what I would think,gotta be close and have some poop behind it..

[Lowedog]

I'll tell what is a snide remark Lowedog. It is when a fella shows up at the Washington Bow Hunters meeting and wants to address this issue and it is never brought up for discussion. Apparently the board decided for the membership what it was going to support and no discussion was required. My membership is gone and out the door. I'll side with the trad hunters any time. I never felt this way before but I am inching more and more toward saying if states like Washington want to allow more and more technology into archery and muzzle loaders why not just have a trad season and send the rest of them into modern rifle season then they can use all the tricks in the book to get "their" critter.

If my comment about having a lot to do a little and having a little to do a lot is snide so be it, but I'll stand my it till I get the Big Chop. There were climbers I knew that bought every gadget in the world to climb a rock or piece of ice. Did it make them better? NO, it did not. What gets you better is practice. If you practice with a wheel bow, recurve bow or long bow you'll be better any day than the man or woman with the gadget equipped bow.

Well, I don't know anything about the Washington Bow Hunters or any of their meetings.  I don't belong that or any group for that matter.  I was just referring to the debate going on here.

I have still yet to read on argument that makes me believe a lighted nock should not be legal in WA.  The old we never needed them before so why now argument is played out.

This debate sure took an ugly turn.  I guess when you can't make a solid case for your side it is easier to make snide remarks.   

?? how bout tracers for rifles so you can see where your hitting...I dont believe anyone will change anyone's mind..but where and when does it really stop as to what a person has to have on a bow to take an animal.. seems to me if its that tuff, perhaps one should move to muzzy or rifle.......

Where and when does it stop?    Nowhere in the WDFW hunting regs does it say anything about archery or muzzy seasons being traditional or primitive hunting seasons.  It describes what is required to fit into each category but nowhere that I can find does it say that these seasons are intended for traditional or primitive type hunts.

I have not talked to anyone or read one post by someone who wants lighted nocks legalized who is saying that a person "has" to have them.  It is a personal choice. 

[Machias]

Welcome back Popeshawnpaul.  This will be my last post on this subject, I don't want to be accused of trying to control the topic.      I thought both sides were presenting their views and opinions and most are doing a good job.  I think the reason alot of guys are passionate about this and other subjects is we see it as a threat to a sport we hold very near and dear to our hearts.  I think alot of new bowhunters, and I'm not including everyone involved in this discussion, but alot of the new bowhunters in the sport today who have to have the latest and greatest toys, the super fast bows, shoot long distances, have no real passion for the sport of bowhunting.  If things go away they will shrug their shoulders and go to the next sport and start demanding all the latest gadgets for that sport.  They haven't lost something that is a life long passion.  Since I moved to this state I have lost two things that were and are the most dearest to my heart, trapping and running dogs.  I don't want to see bowhunting be the third thing, maybe it won't.  This just seems another step in that direction.  Welcome back, I hope you stick around.

[Ray]

This was a good, respectful debate until D had to fly the "Stupid People" flag. How about keeping it civil, please?

I think Machias' arguement makes perfect sense. And StikNStringBow's way of thinking is spot on from my perspective, too.

Electronic nocks are an aid to taking risky shots; in low light and/or from too great of distance. They aren't necessary and to suddenly say that they are needed is the same as saying that bowhunting needs fixing; that we have a problem and that an electronic nock is the holy grail. Once the line of 'no electronics' is crossed there will be no going back; there is already a broadhead with a laser sight in its tip; soon there will be a gps in one, too.

Gadgetry has replaced woodsmanship and skill. It is a sad time for bowhunting when a lighted nock is needed so that the arrow shows up better on video. We have lost our way, ladies and gentlemen. I hope to goodness something will soon set us back on the right path.

I agree. Re-emphasizing - An aid to taking risky shots.

If you need electronics on the bow and arrow maybe it's time to pick up an XBox or Playstation.

[krout81]

Well put....     Its not a contest to see who has the best bow, and even the best rack for that matter.   
It is hunting and being in the woods doing something you love.  Technology has ruined everything quit trying to add more.  Its bad enough already with sights and cams.  Get in the woods and practice practice practice.  If you want to show off then go to another state and hunt.