using illumanock in Wa

[DBHAWTHORNE]

I just don't see how the anything goes no matter what.  If someone wants it we have to include it so we build up our numbers.  I don't think I have stringent standards, maybe I do and don't realize it.  My standards are don't do things to hurt the sport as a whole and have respect for the animals we pursue.  Other then that I'm fairly open minded....on most issues.

Ok...Lumenocks... How do they hurt our sport as a whole and how they not respect the animals we pursue? I see them bettering the sport/respecting the animal we pursue despite the fact I have never/likely will never use them.

[Ray]

I don't think saying you don't want electronics on your bow is an elitist... I think saying hunter Joe should have electronics on his bow because I don't think that's archery hunting is elitist...

Why would it be elitist? I mean we have to agree on the terms of what is acceptable. If I used your proposed logic (being a pessimist that I am) I could say that tomorrow I want a rangefinder on my bow and also crossbows as well as scopes and laser dots. Then if ANYONE objects they are an elitist because they want to say what I can and cannot have on my bow. The fact is, even those people are not necessarily the ones to cast stones at.

[M_ray]

This was never stated by me. It is your imagination as far as I can tell. Thus it is non existant. Please tell me where I made this quote below on this topic. You're asking me why I said something that I didn't say. I'm not sure where to start with that logic.

I think he gets it here on post #117

At any rate I believe that the WSB is misdirecting energy with this proposal. In short, there will be some objections to such a proposal and when the Game Commission reads or hears these objections then they will see that many archers are more interested in gadgets than seasons.

I think he is just asking if you have some inside knowledge from a meeting or from WDFW that supports the statement you made in post #117 that just because a group is in favor of luminknocks means that they are also in favor of shortened seasons. It sounds like you are saying that this is the way fish and game would interpret luminknock support.

[Ray]

Nope. Never said or implied such ideas.

[DBHAWTHORNE]

I don't think saying you don't want electronics on your bow is an elitist... I think saying hunter Joe should have electronics on his bow because I don't think that's archery hunting is elitist...

Why would it be elitist? I mean we have to agree on the terms of what is acceptable. If I used your proposed logic (being a pessimist that I am) I could say that tomorrow I want a rangefinder on my bow and also crossbows as well as scopes. Then if ANYONE objects they are an elitist because they want to say what I can and cannot have on my bow. The fact is, even those people are not necessarily the ones to cast stones at.

I definitely see what you mean.. but when we base our terms of "acceptable" on what we find to be sacred and consider that only the true way to call yourself a hunter, bowhunter, or whatever then we are being an elitist. I am sure we all have some elitist in us but man..I wish we could just not have such discord amongst each other (on the voting blocks) about the things that truly have basically no negative impact... now if we are talking about real issues like methods to help our herds recover..etc.. now that is real important stuff.. but things that are going to make little impact on us or the herd and would recruit more hunters, lead to more recoveries and not violate individual hunters rights (who use methods that may not appeal to what I believe constitutes a hunting experience)... I am all for it. I don't necessarily like or want all of these either. I would be perfectly happy if firearms where never created and if we were all hunting with stickbows crafted by our own hand..but I certainly want firearm, muzzleloader, etc. hunters on my side and I am on their side 100%

[Ray]

I definitely see what you mean.. but when we base our terms of "acceptable" on what we find to be sacred and consider that only the true way to call yourself a hunter, bowhunter, or whatever then we are being an elitist.

That quote kind of mixes two mutually exclusive things in my mind.

1) There is a definition on a book of regulations. It doesn't care what someone feels. It is based upon a consensus of hunters and hopefully with the best intentions. Some people believe leaving electronics off the bow and arrow is a sound consensus reached about 20 years ago when bow hunters from the WSB agreed to the restriction. It is not elitist.

2) There are people who want to tell others or make others feel insecure, inadequate, inferior or otherwise less than another person based upon their beliefs.

They are not necessarily one in the same.

[Lowedog]

I find it kind of strange that some feel that what they carry in their hands while hunting defines what they are or that it somehow makes the hunt more meaningful than what others chose to do

Why would it be strange? The act of hunting is more meaningful than getting your meat at the grocery store  simply because it is a tradition. To me it seems like you are trying to paint those who choose their weapons with conviction as elitist but without openly stating it.

Who said anything about getting your meat at a grocery store?  Just thought I would repost my complete statement...

I find it kind of strange that some feel that what they carry in their hands while hunting defines what they are or that it somehow makes the hunt more meaningful than what others chose to do.  For me just hunting is what it is all about.  I don't feel any different if I'm hunting with my rifle or with my muzzy, compound or recurve.  It's about the hunt itself.  Sometimes I long for a cold October morning with leaves turning colors and my rifle on my shoulder.  At other times it is dreaming of September in short sleeves and trying to close the distance on a big buck with my bow.  

To me it seems like you are trying to paint those who choose their weapons with conviction as elitist but without openly stating it.

I openly stated earlier in this thread that some of these posts come across as elitist.  I don't believe it is elitist to choose ones weapon with conviction.  I think it is elitist to suggest that others don't feel as passionate about hunting or to imply that those who chose to use modern equipment are inferior hunters or woodsmen. 

[Lowedog]

I think that the lighted cams should be used to make 300 yard shots only.  If you use the stabilizer with the laser pointer that is built in you should be allowed to shoot out of the truck window without repercussions.  The shorter bows will make this easier.  Lighting your arrows on fire before drawing back could create a hazardous situation, and cause your string to catch fire.  If you cannot deal with this or you're scared, carry a pocket fire extinguisher. This could be an effective way to take shots during the night.

Lighted cams???!! I gotta get me some of those!  Especially if they can make me shoot 300 yards!

[DBHAWTHORNE]

I definitely see what you mean.. but when we base our terms of "acceptable" on what we find to be sacred and consider that only the true way to call yourself a hunter, bowhunter, or whatever then we are being an elitist.

That quote kind of mixes two mutually exclusive things in my mind.

1) There is a definition on a book of regulations. It doesn't care what someone feels. It is based upon a consensus of hunters and hopefully with the best intentions. Some people believe leaving electronics off the bow and arrow is a sound consensus reached about 20 years ago when bow hunters from the WSB agreed to the restriction. It is not elitist.

2) There are people who want to tell others or make others feel insecure, inadequate, inferior or otherwise less than another person based upon their beliefs.

They are not necessarily one in the same.

By your definition I agree with you 100%.
 
I think if we can agree that it is a sound consensus that benefits the future of hunting and our herds (I don't expect us to all agree on those things either..Antler restrictions, limited antlerless harvest whatever....I know we will make mistakes) then we are focusing on the right areas. If it is for other reasons (like the fact that I think x method or gadget is not really hunting so we should ban it just because the majority...who don't use that method for whatever reason..don't agree.) then we are likely way down the wrong track and not making very sound decisions to benefit what we really love and we are speaking from our elitist side (that we all have)

I just see way more positives for the animal and hunting in most of these issues. The primary negative I see is that it may not appeal to someone's sense of what constitutes a hunt/bowhunting/muzzleloader hunting...etc.

[DBHAWTHORNE]

I think that the lighted cams should be used to make 300 yard shots only.  If you use the stabilizer with the laser pointer that is built in you should be allowed to shoot out of the truck window without repercussions.  The shorter bows will make this easier.  Lighting your arrows on fire before drawing back could create a hazardous situation, and cause your string to catch fire.  If you cannot deal with this or you're scared, carry a pocket fire extinguisher. This could be an effective way to take shots during the night.

I love the sarcasm but it is so far out of reality and context that I can't even entertain giving a response.

You just did.

Yes I did!!!  You got me. 

[DBHAWTHORNE]

I think that the lighted cams should be used to make 300 yard shots only.  If you use the stabilizer with the laser pointer that is built in you should be allowed to shoot out of the truck window without repercussions.  The shorter bows will make this easier.  Lighting your arrows on fire before drawing back could create a hazardous situation, and cause your string to catch fire.  If you cannot deal with this or you're scared, carry a pocket fire extinguisher. This could be an effective way to take shots during the night.

Lighted cams???!! I gotta get me some of those!  Especially if they can make me shoot 300 yards!

Oh yes...these are the cats meow.  The light waves when synchronized propel your arrow forward at a faster rate. Plus you can use them as a survival tool to get out of the woods after dark.

Man I need some of those. New shoes make me run faster and new bows make be shoot better so I am sure these lighted cams will be the heat. 

[Buckrub]

I hunt with bells and whistles 
 I hunt archery because I love to talk to the elk and although I could shoot 70 yds I would never shoot over 40yds and prefer 10yds.

Same with any weapon...it comes down to personal choice and responsibility.

NUTHIN..better than a screaming bull at ten yards!

[CallMeBigPapa]

Is it worth the time to read all 12 pages?

[boneaddict]

not really

[boneaddict]

The highlite or one of the best points made was this....

Wolf introduction may be the damnation of hunting, while we squabble over lighted nocks the greeners are out to strip hunters of basic privileges....