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Re: Smelt are no more....
« Reply #30 on: December 20, 2010, 11:21:22 PM »
I figure that whatever is hammering the smelt is probably what is getting all the different fishes.  When I talk to the 'older' generation out here on the OP they all talk about how widespread the fish were, similar to the wild game.  Most cases the timeframe they refer to is 60's to the 80's...though there are a few that say the same thing from about 1946 until the 80's.  Just happens that logging was fairly widescale during that timeframe.  Now, with seemingly less logging (and supposedly better practices--riparian corridors, road drainage, etc.) apparently the fish are now declining even faster?  I know that correlation is not causation.  I'm just led to believe that there is something non-logging related probably doing even more damage.  I would guess pollution, but I'm not sure....there are so many factors--like 'light pollution'.  I've read a few things about how the glow of the cities has affected fish which primarily travel at night (steelhead).  But would agree that if the decline was a fixed number even if beginning in the 1890's...that fixed number wouldn't be as noticeable in percentagewise in the early years, but would grow in the later ones.  Hopefully it all gets figured out in time.

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Re: Smelt are no more....
« Reply #31 on: December 20, 2010, 11:40:52 PM »
My guess is massive over-harvesting. I had a lot of fun catching the tasty little things on Camano in the 80's, playing with the dogfish was just an added bonus.  :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
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Re: Smelt are no more....
« Reply #32 on: December 21, 2010, 07:21:58 AM »
We used to hit the smelt each year as well.  Used to fill 5 gallon buckets until the went to about a 10 lb max.  Used to smoke them and save them for bait.  We would fish the Cowlitz and the Lewis when the run was big enough.  Good times.
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Re: Smelt are no more....
« Reply #33 on: December 21, 2010, 08:06:33 AM »
Obama Administration lists Pacific smelt under Endangered Species Act

Published: Tuesday, March 16, 2010, 8:46 PM
Updated: Tuesday, March 16, 2010, 8:47 PM

By Scott Learn, The Oregonian
 
These smelt were caught in the Sandy River in 2003. The fish used to have huge runs in the Sandy and Columbia rivers, but their numbers have declined in recent years.Into the mid 1900s, Pacific smelt arrived in such abundance this time of year in Washington's Cowlitz River that tribal fishermen could rake them out of the water.

This year, the smelt, or "eulachon," appeared on one Friday afternoon, said  Nathan Reynolds, Cowlitz Indian Tribe ecologist. For the tribe's annual eulachon ceremony on March 6, there were no smelt to catch.

That alarming trend is the backdrop for the Obama administration's decision, announced Tuesday, to list the Pacific smelt population that frequents the Columbia River as threatened, adding another fish to the Columbia's 13 listings of salmon and steelhead under the U.S. Endangered Species Act.

The smelt decision doesn't pack the drama or economic wallop of the salmon listings. But it will affect river habitat plans, fishing seasons, water flow from dams and permits for dredging and other work in and around Northwest rivers.

It also will force the government to take the small forage fish into account when regulating smelt bycatch in the ocean shrimp fleet.

Pacific smelt once swarmed from the ocean up the Columbia, Cowlitz, Lewis and Sandy rivers in massive spring migrations, attracting legions of dip-net-toting anglers.

But their numbers are at or near historical lows, and the fish is at at "moderate risk of extinction," the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration said.

In 2007, the Cowlitz Indian Tribe in Washington asked NOAA to list smelt populations in Oregon, Washington and California for protection.

They're important to Native American tribes, to ocean and river food chains and -- when they're abundant -- to recreational and commercial fishermen, who sell them as food and fish bait.

The government hasn't kept close tabs on smelt, a fact that commercial fishing groups cited in opposing the listing.

Smelt populations are unpredictable, said Garth Griffin, a NOAA fishery biologist. Historical evidence indicates they dropped precipitously from 1830 to 1860, for example, then rebounded.

"They are a mysterious fish -- they're a species that can have booms and busts," Griffin said. "But what's happened in modern history is that the booms are much less abundant than the busts. That's very worrisome."

Pacific smelt typically spend three to five years in saltwater from Northern California to Alaska before returning to freshwater to spawn from late winter through midspring. They acted as a "salvation fish" for tribes, bringing badly needed fat after long winters.

In the portion of the species' range that lies south of the U.S.–Canadian border -- the population addressed by Tuesday's listing -- most smelt originate in the Columbia River basin.

The Columbia River Fishermen's Protective Union opposed the listing, saying the fish have shown resilience.

Gary Soderstrom, the group's former president and a commercial fisherman, said reports he got from fishermen indicated the fish were abundant in Grays River and other spots this year.

"I can see some reason to be conservative," Soderstrom said. "But this (downturn) is nothing new. Even when nobody fished them, this happened."

This year, the two states stopped smelt fishing, once year-round, on March 11. It's still allowed on the Sandy River. But smelt haven't shown up in numbers there since 2003.

NOAA's announcement didn't list fishing among the threats to Pacific smelt. It did include climate change, which Griffin said seems to be diminishing the plankton the smelt feed on in their traditional range.

Threats also include reduced water flows, bycatch in the shrimp fishery, water management and habitat changes in the Klamath and Columbia river basins, and predation by seals, sea lions and birds.

-- Scott Learn
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Re: Smelt are no more....
« Reply #34 on: December 21, 2010, 01:54:44 PM »
Netting in the ocean hasn't helped. And commercial neting in the columbia hasn't helped either.
I remember reading about the commies last year getting 4000 pounds and the sports getting less than 1000 in what was a horrible return year.

I remember dipping smelt when i was a kid in kelso under the lewis street bridge. Limit was 20 pounds. And we would have a blast at night.

Last time i dipped smelt was in 2001-2002 off of rocky point and my brother saved a russian kid that fell in.
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Re: Smelt are no more....
« Reply #35 on: December 21, 2010, 02:10:21 PM »
Netting in the ocean hasn't helped. And commercial neting in the columbia hasn't helped either.
I remember reading about the commies last year getting 4000 pounds and the sports getting less than 1000 in what was a horrible return year.

I remember dipping smelt when i was a kid in kelso under the lewis street bridge. Limit was 20 pounds. And we would have a blast at night.

Last time i dipped smelt was in 2001-2002 off of rocky point and my brother saved a russian kid that fell in.

LOL  NO WAY!!!  I WAS THERE!!  I KNOW THE KID THAT FELL IN TOO.   :chuckle:   

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Re: Smelt are no more....
« Reply #36 on: December 23, 2010, 06:24:08 AM »
Biginner, do you know how many smelt they took??? I turned them in but i am sure nothing came of it. Fill a bucket take it to the truck come back down for more...

Some of the problem has been people overharvesting.
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Re: Smelt are no more....
« Reply #37 on: December 29, 2010, 09:59:19 PM »
sooooooo.....................

no smelt jigging in cornet bay?


does the ban go to just netting or jigging too?
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