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[BOWHUNTER45]

Does not much matter for us Wasgington hunters because whatever gives us the advantage they outlaw it... awesome for the competition shooters !!

[vaz,,66]

 Guys we are living in a modern world i have no doubts that some one some were will get something new just look back when the first compound bow was introduce what was the reaction , no one thought that this type of the archery equipment will be the most popular, I'm toking here that every thing can be improved : arrows , broadheads and the bow as well that's all. I think we all agreed that the accuracy is first .

[NWWABOWHNTR]

Matt shoots a bow rated at 340 IBO.  http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,74046.0.html

I am sure he shoots very deadly accurate with it but he comes across like only guys with his types of skills can shoot one competent enough to hunt with one.

WOW... speaking of haters.  That is not what Matt said.  Way to take everything out of context.  His comments were in regards to their original claims of 396FPS... at 355 with an IBO arrow, that puts it down there aways, now put a hunting arrow of State Minimums and the bow is shooting below 300FPS.  Matt was not putting anyone or their abilities down, everyone should step up to the plate and help as many other hunters with their bows as he does and we would have more people going into the woods shooting correctly setup bows and taking ethincal shots, or I should say have the ability bto do so.

[TheHunt]

Any ideas when one can try one out? 

[Lowedog]

Matt shoots a bow rated at 340 IBO.  http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,74046.0.html

I am sure he shoots very deadly accurate with it but he comes across like only guys with his types of skills can shoot one competent enough to hunt with one.

WOW... speaking of haters.  That is not what Matt said.  Way to take everything out of context.  His comments were in regards to their original claims of 396FPS... at 355 with an IBO arrow, that puts it down there aways, now put a hunting arrow of State Minimums and the bow is shooting below 300FPS.  Matt was not putting anyone or their abilities down, everyone should step up to the plate and help as many other hunters with their bows as he does and we would have more people going into the woods shooting correctly setup bows and taking ethincal shots, or I should say have the ability bto do so.

Not being a hater just saying how it seems he is coming across in this thread. 

When he said...

I am not doubting any bows speed ability.  I am doubting that the majority of hunters that look at the IBO rating before any other spec can't keep a fixed blade broadhead in the kill zone at 50 yards.  I am not talking about the guy that goes to tournaments every weekend and shoots a 100+ arrows a day practicing.  I am talking about the average hunter.  I am not putting anyone down either.  I am just stating a fact. 

...to me he sounds like he doesn't think the average guy can shoot a fast bow accurately enough to hunt with it.  I would consider myself the average hunter and when I decide to look at a new bow I am going to look at bows that are shooting in the 330-350fps IBO with a 7" brace height.  And I have complete confidence that I can shoot it well enough to hunt with it. 

Lakota is appealing to the speed crowd.  Good for them and I wish them luck.  But I will bet that this particular bow will not take the archery world by storm.  It's a tough market out there and saying that your bow can shoot 396 IBO will definately sell a couple bows.  I would love to try this bow and see for myself.  And if it is all that and jam too then I would be the first to tell people.

...I guess it seemed like he was saying that Lakota is claiming 396 IBO.  Didn't think I took anything he posted out of context.   

[Matt]

I am far from being high and mighty here.  I think that there are somewhere in the area of 30,000 archery tags sold each year in Washington.  There may be 3,000 that belong to a state archery organization.  That's 10%  Of the 30,000 archers I would venture to say that more than half don't shoot there bows very often at all.  Go to the pro shops in August and see how many guys are bringing their bows in for tune ups and they say they haven't touched it since last hunting season.  These are the "average" archers.

Archery isn't easy.  And trying to do it with a "speed" bow makes it all that tougher.  I could care less how fast my bow is shooting as long as it's tuned and I have a rangefinder.  Any bow company that advertises speed first is hyping it and banking on consumers buying it for that reason.  That's good marketing even if it cannot reach those speeds.  This bow was brought to the attention of everyone but that is where it has stayed.  No one has seen this bow or shot it.  Just a number on a chrono.  Yet guys say I gotta have it, just because it's fast.

I think that it's cool that Richard is helping out a little known bow company get the name out there.  I know about fighting for the underdog.  I was with Bowtech from the very beginning and have heard it all.  But shooting a speed bow is like driving a race car.  We all can't just jump in put the pedal to the floor and drive 200 mph and expect to stay on the track.  We are doing this to kill animals we owe it to them to do it the best we can.  And that means practice and shoot a bow and take shots within "your" abilities.

[Matt]

Lowedog I know that most bows are rated in the 320-340 range now a days.  What I am criticising is the 396fps post and the fact that some one wants to buy it solely based on that.

And to anyone that says they can shoot one pin out to 50 yards.  Yes you can but you will miss more than you should for that very reason.  And by miss I mean not in the vitals.  Depending on the speed there is at least an 18" difference in impact points between the distances.  Now throw in the fact that you aren't putting your pin in the exact spot, you cannot be that accurate.  But at least you have an uncluttered view.  It can be done just not as accurate.  Now if you can go and win a 3-D shoot with one stationary pin I applaud you.  That is some fine shooting.

[Matt]

We can all agree to disagree.  I would still like to shoot this bow though

[Lowedog]

I must have missed the post about 1 pin to 50 yards.  I would agree with you there, I don't care how fast a bow you have, 1 pin isn't going to cover to 50 yards. 

I don't really hang around archery shops so I haven't witnessed what you are referring to.  Most archery hunters I know keep in practice through out the year. 

I think GPR and Lakota took their lumps over on AT about that post with the 396.  I don't think they ever claimed their bow would do that at IBO specs.  If someone wants to buy the fastest thing out there then so be it.  I wouldn't assume because someone says they want it that they can't shoot.  Hell, they may not even want to hunt with but just want a wicked fast bow just to say they have one. 

[Button Nubbs]

I have seen the "august rush" at both the range and at shops and it pisses me off. I would not call these pople "average archers" they are well below average from what I have seen. To say most of the 30,000 archers don't shoot enough I don't agree with. Sure I know some guys who don't break their bow out til august but I know a ton more who shoot regularly.

I shoot year round, at least once a week jan-april and sometimes up to 5-6 times a week may-aug and all though hunting season. I am not one of the 3,000 people who belong to state archery clubs so where does that classify me?

[wildmanoutdoors]

Half of the 27000 left that do shoot all year! like me.

[wildmanoutdoors]

I still am waiting just to see this bow. I feel its more important to master your current bow rather then keep buying the fastest advertised out every year. My Gaurdian is 3 years old. Im ready to get an Invasion, but I trust my Gaurdian to no end.
If you dont shoot all year, no way have you mastered your current set up IMO.

[Lowedog]

The Guardian is an Awesome bow!  I had a 2008 for 2 years and when I bought my D340 said I would never sell the Guardian just because they are so good.  I ended up selling the Guardian simply because I liked the D340 so much more. 

[Matt]

Wildman I have to agree with lowedog.  The D340 is a great bow.  I don't know if you have tried the invasion yet or not but for me it isn't very nice to draw.  In a hunting situation I don't want to pop a roid in the first 6" of draw trying to be quiet and having a harsh drawing bow.

[wildmanoutdoors]

Would it be safe to say that any center pivot is harsher off the get go? My Guardian is pretty harsh compared to others I have drew.